Feelin' GUI framework

[itix]

Cough :-)
http://sourceforge.net/p/hollypaint/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/hollypaint.xml

MUI-Royale as a shared library which could be used from any language would be nice to have.

Maybe it does not look that bad at all... I have seen XAML and thought there is way too much text.

So with MUI Royale you write XML file and it is translated to UI? There is no visual editor? Maybe writing XML files by hand is workable after all...

[Mazze]

Maybe it does not look that bad at all... I have seen XAML and thought there is way too much text.

So with MUI Royale you write XML file and it is translated to UI? There is no visual editor? Maybe writing XML files by hand is workable after all...

Yes, it's translated on-the-fly. I've written the XML file by hand. No problem because I had already experience with MUI and can type with 10 fingers.

In the meantime someone is writing a visual editor
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39950&forum=32

[itix]

Yes, it's translated on-the-fly. I've written the XML file by hand. No problem because I had already experience with MUI and can type with 10 fingers.

In the meantime someone is writing a visual editor
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39950&forum=32

Maybe XML is better than I thought even for hand typed coding. I wrote simple (incomplete) XML to C converter and here are results:

Object *create_app_tree()
{
   Object *app = ApplicationObject,
      MUIA_Application_Menustrip, mymenustrip = MenustripObject,
         MUIA_Family_Child, MenuObject, MUIA_Menu_Title, "Project",
            MUIA_Family_Child, new_mnu = MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "New...", End,
            MUIA_Family_Child, open_mnu = MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "Open...", End,
            MUIA_Family_Child, MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "",
               MUIA_Family_Child, save_mnu = MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "Save", End,
               MUIA_Family_Child, saveas_mnu = MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "Save", End,
               MUIA_Family_Child, MenuObject, MUIA_Menu_Title, "Export",
                  MUIA_Family_Child, export_ilbm_mnu = MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "ILBM", End,
                  MUIA_Family_Child, export_bmp_mnu = MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "BMP", End,
                  MUIA_Family_Child, export_jpg_mnu = MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "JPG", End,
                  MUIA_Family_Child, export_gif_mnu = MenuItemObject, MUIA_Menuitem_Title, "GIF", End, End,

It needs more work but if someone is writing visual editor that can output XML...

[Crumb]

Maybe XML is better than I thought even for hand typed coding. I wrote simple (incomplete) XML to C converter and here are results:



It needs more work but if someone is writing visual editor that can output XML...

You can use XSLT to convert between different XML formats. That would allow you to use your prefered visual editor.

I wrote a xml to reaction tool 10 years ago using expat.library, it created compilable code. Being able to draw GUIs on the fly without modifying the binaries didn't seem much useful as if you add new functions you would still need to recompile the C code anyway. Later I started to write a mui version but got a little bored.

[vidarh]

I'm afraid it's dead indeed, and it's too bad, there was a lot of good ideas:

 - free from any Amiga legacy (GUI was real nice looking, and free from old gray legacy)
 - CSS styling is a must
 - ability to fully describe apps using xml
 - integrated logging system

etc..

The biggest problem I remember from looking at the code a few years back was that the XML parsing was nowhere near compliant with the XML spec, I believe, and there might have been various other smaller issues too.

No major showstoppers that'd take a huge amount of work if someone were to want to clean it up, but I remember thinking it was not really usable as-is.

[Amigamia]

Hey guys,

Anybody knows if Feelin (http://www.feelin.fr) managed to get any traction within the Amiga/Amiga-Like OS community? I'm hard pressed to find any programs that use it.

The framework does look compelling. I've emailed the author but got no response.

I suppose it's dead and MUI still rules?

You may want to try the email here:

https://github.com/olvlvl

I tracked it down through other projects he is still maintaining. I wondered about the same thing a few months ago. It looked promising and it seemed really cool, especially for AROS. By the way, the source is available on the site so maybe someone can fork it?

[Mazze]

IIRC some years ago someone had continued to work on Feelin.

[itix]

You can use XSLT to convert between different XML formats. That would allow you to use your prefered visual editor.

I wrote a xml to reaction tool 10 years ago using expat.library, it created compilable code. Being able to draw GUIs on the fly without modifying the binaries didn't seem much useful as if you add new functions you would still need to recompile the C code anyway. Later I started to write a mui version but got a little bored.

Coincidentally my first revision of muixml was using expat.library, too, but I found it too cumbersome for this purpose. Now I am using mini xml and quite easily I can map XML to equivalent C code.

Only if I understood mini xml API better...

[Fransexy_]

@fransexy

You having a hangover again? :-)

:-O so predictable i am? :-(

[Mazze]

It needs more work but if someone is writing visual editor that can output XML...

Aha.
http://aminet.net/package/dev/gui/muixml

I'm interested in the source code with open source license. :juggler:

[itix]

Aha.
http://aminet.net/package/dev/gui/muixml

I'm interested in the source code with open source license. :juggler:

I can do that. I was thinking GPL/LGPL, moving code generators to link lib and main executable would be GPL. How that sounds?

[hishamk]

You may want to try the email here:

https://github.com/olvlvl

I tracked it down through other projects he is still maintaining. I wondered about the same thing a few months ago. It looked promising and it seemed really cool, especially for AROS. By the way, the source is available on the site so maybe someone can fork it?

I did, still no reply. It's dead, Jim!

[kamelito]

You can maybe try tweeter instead : @olvlvl

Kamelito

[Duce]

Seems like a re-invention of the wheel to me.

Then again, I've always hated the add on UI experiences (including MUI, both on user and dev side) and prefer a stock Amiga experience.

Though I finally did cave a bit back in the day and gave in and regged MUI so I could run MailManager and GMSMailer.

[itix]

Seems like a re-invention of the wheel to me.

Then again, I've always hated the add on UI experiences (including MUI, both on user and dev side) and prefer a stock Amiga experience.

Though I finally did cave a bit back in the day and gave in and regged MUI so I could run MailManager and GMSMailer.

From developer POV using low level Intuition is pain in the ass. GadTools saved some typing but there is still way too much coding involved.

Technically it is possible create GadTools GUI from XML saving lot of work.

[Mazze]

I can do that. I was thinking GPL/LGPL, moving code generators to link lib and main executable would be GPL. How that sounds?

Great.

How do we want to proceed? Should I create a Sourceforge project?