Hyperion bankrupt?

[amigakit]

@Olafs3

A-EON owns Warp3D now.  I know upgrading it for 68k would be something of interest. All of A-EON's new software technologies developed will be back ported to AmigaOS 3 if the hardware can support it.

[wawrzon]

@Olafs3

A-EON owns Warp3D now.  I know upgrading it for 68k would be something of interest. All of A-EON's new software technologies developed will be back ported to AmigaOS 3 if the hardware can support it.

yes i think everybody would have guessed, after numerous hints...
it would have been the right thing to do in the late years of last decade, when still some simple open software could be ported to this, gaining some public attention. but are you sure its worth the investment today? especially there is wazp3d, open, free of charge and concerning the circumstances, rather tested? warp3d in my humble opinion is today a legacy issue, a standard, that might have been followed if it had succeed, but on low level basis has been implemented in user unfriendly outdated way. its success on amiga is limited by what it has beenn able to gather on os4 and it doesnt seem to be much. we were asking for w3d radeon drivers for years in order just to keep the standard going. it isnt your fault this has been refused and i dont blame the coders who wouldnt do to do that for free, but this is the effect, as correctly recognized by those who wanted to declare it obsolete, since it failed to catch ground.

[matthey]

How about a ROM that can find a CDRom to boot so I can ditch my slowly decaying boot floppies?

And has HD support for >4GB hard drives.

A-EON owns Warp3D now.  I know upgrading it for 68k would be something of interest. All of A-EON's new software technologies developed will be back ported to AmigaOS 3 if the hardware can support it.

Did somebody pick up some toys at Hyperion's garage sale or should we say fire sale? It makes me wonder if Hyperion is just a shell to maintain a license agreement for A-Eon, not that I would complain if that was the case. If Trevor is more clever than Hyerion, he would back port Warp3D and Reaction to the 68k and license to users for free to proliferate these APIs, ease porting between AmigaOS 4 and AmigaOS 3 and increase software development. It would sure make our job of getting NetSurf running on AmigaOS 3 easier. I know a thing or two about Warp3D that might be useful too .

[guest11527]

Not sure anyone 'competes' with 68k (aka The Amiga), people use what they use, not much market to compete in beyond that i suspect. As you say, you can make a nice living restoring classic cars, but it's a similarly small market that is limited by demand.

Well, apparently, Hyperion sees the 68K as competitor to their PPC machines, i.e. block development on 68K to drive PPC. I believe this is not a very wise decision. You cannot behave as if you are the new Microsoft and at the same time see 68K as competitor. If you want the former, you should create more powerful machines, more powerful than PPC can deliver.

Instead, Hyperion is stuck between two fronts, the PC machines that are lightyears ahead of everything they do, and the 68K "oldtimer" users that have a PC anyhow and don't need a "slow incompatible" PPC. Doing so is not only ignoring the market, it is also just ignoring a good part of the potential customer basis for products that could be developed jointly on both platforms; then finally, let the user basis decide which system they want to invest to, and take the money from both groups. That would IMHO be a much smarter decision because you have much more room to "navigate" your company in.

[alphadec]

Well, apparently, Hyperion sees the 68K as competitor to their PPC machines, i.e. block development on 68K to drive PPC. I believe this is not a very wise decision. You cannot behave as if you are the new Microsoft and at the same time see 68K as competitor. If you want the former, you should create more powerful machines, more powerful than PPC can deliver.

And this is the reason why I think those who want to make a amiga fpga have so much problems. There have been many tempts that could have given us a amazing amiga 68k, like.

- Tina
- Natami

[OlafS3]

@Olafs3

A-EON owns Warp3D now.  I know upgrading it for 68k would be something of interest. All of A-EON's new software technologies developed will be back ported to AmigaOS 3 if the hardware can support it.

I talked here about attitude of Hyperion how I have read it. I know that Amigakit thinks different there.

[OlafS3]

And this is the reason why I think those who want to make a amiga fpga have so much problems. There have been many tempts that could have given us a amazing amiga 68k, like.

- Tina
- Natami

these projects are different from f.e. the apollo project. Behind Apollo there is a group of people not just Gunnar how some think. And it has a realistic approach using existing hardware instead trying to make a custom one. That are the differences to Natami, in reality just one developer using custom (and thus expensive) hardware. Too much for one. Tina, I do not know. It was a hardware without any VHDL-Developer so it never was more than a idea.

[OlafS3]

@Olafs3

A-EON owns Warp3D now.  I know upgrading it for 68k would be something of interest. All of A-EON's new software technologies developed will be back ported to AmigaOS 3 if the hardware can support it.

Is it perhaps possible that we come to a kind of cooperation between Aros camp and Aeon/Amigakit? Perhaps that it would be possible to use developments from you in my distribution and you using Aros developments on your side? I think it would be benficial for both sides.

[wawrzon]

Well, apparently, Hyperion sees the 68K as competitor to their PPC machines, i.e. block development on 68K to drive PPC. I believe this is not a very wise decision. You cannot behave as if you are the new Microsoft and at the same time see 68K as competitor. If you want the former, you should create more powerful machines, more powerful than PPC can deliver.

Instead, Hyperion is stuck between two fronts, the PC machines that are lightyears ahead of everything they do, and the 68K "oldtimer" users that have a PC anyhow and don't need a "slow incompatible" PPC. Doing so is not only ignoring the market, it is also just ignoring a good part of the potential customer basis for products that could be developed jointly on both platforms; then finally, let the user basis decide which system they want to invest to, and take the money from both groups. That would IMHO be a much smarter decision because you have much more room to "navigate" your company in.

psst! dont tell them. they might reconsider. then what?

[OlafS3]

psst! Dont tell them. They might reconsider. Then what?

lol

[amigakit]

@Olafs3

I personally would very much like to see Radeon R200 support available for Classic AmigaOS 3 on the Mediator.  If you have a proposal so we can support that, I will be very much interested.

[wawrzon]

Is it perhaps possible that we come to a kind of cooperation between Aros camp and Aeon/Amigakit? Perhaps that it would be possible to use developments from you in my distribution and you using Aros developments on your side? I think it would be benficial for both sides.

aros has wazp3d in their contribs. it doesnt work well with 68k but you can substitute it with the original wazp from aminet with no problem. on x86 there isnt any w3d software available. nor would that make sense, because mesa can be used directly. what w3d software would you want to port to aros?

[wawrzon]

@Olafs3

I personally would very much like to see Radeon R200 support available for Classic AmigaOS 3 on the Mediator.  If you have a proposal so we can support that, I will be very much interested.

i assume you talk about w3d driver for radeon 9xxx since 2d is already supported by elbox as you sure know. well, you can certainly port it from os4. i dont know what else would there be to propose.

[amigakit]

Yes I am referring to 3D support.  Does Aros support Mediator ?

[OlafS3]

Yes I am referring to 3D support.  Does Aros support Mediator ?

on the support page it is mentioning it "untested"

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support

it seems so:
http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git?a=search&h=8107c280c9c18311144c7d542293ecc4d88468d4&st=commit&s=mediator

I have searched for Mediator in Aros commits and there are 68k related hits

there is also a thread where terminills asked if someone has Mediator:
http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35876&forum=25&17

it is the same time as commits so I assume it was to test if it works

[wawrzon]

Yes I am referring to 3D support.  Does Aros support Mediator ?

its a long time i have looked into that. afair there might have been some basic support, i recall that pci tool might have recognized the cards. but it wasnt complete and working, it lacked interrupts or so.

i can check it again, but why and what for do you need here aros at all?