ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS

[biggun]

It should be possible to bake the Amiga chipset and possibly even other chipsets into the ASIC, although a small FPGA for a chipset would be more flexible.

Maybe it makes sense to sum up the difference:

CPU

in FPGA  ~ 600 Mhz 68020 Speed
in Very Good FPGA ~ 1200 Mhz 68020 Speed
+ needed investment to develop an FPGA system is low - some hundred to maybe thousand $ to get prototype
+  Bugs can be fixed in the field

 
CPU
in low end ASIC  ~ 1000 MHz 68020 Speed
in high end ASIC  ~ 5000 MHz 68020 Speed
- needed investment is huge for high end Asic the price for prototype can be in range of $200,000
- if there is a bug then the ASIC can not be fixed.
- To fix a bug again $100,000 need to be invested.



GFX Chipset
If you do the chipset well then you can get with todays entry level FPGA already super performance.
16bit CD quality audio is no problem.
FULL HD video output is no problem, 24bit truecolor is no problem,
If you do it right then having 100 times DMA performance compared to AGA is no problem with todays entry level FPGAs.

an ASIC could again improve over this.
But would have huge cost and huge risk.

I'm personally happy with FULL HD - I do not need 4K display ...

In regards of the chipset I would certainly prefer to use an FPGA to keep the risk and investments lower and to have the possibility to improve the chipset if we want to.

[psxphill]

Maybe it makes sense to sum up the difference:

CPU

in FPGA ~ 600 Mhz 68020 Speed
in Very Good FPGA ~ 1200 Mhz 68020 Speed
+ needed investment to develop an FPGA system is low - some hundred to maybe thousand $ to get prototype
+ Bugs can be fixed in the field

The biggest advantage I can see is that it would make it easier to support different MMU types and switch between them. An R4000 style MMU where the CPU does the page walking could be added for those that want it, or an 030/040/060 MMU could be used by those who wanted to be compatible with old software.
 
 I personally only want an FPGA that runs code that requires an 060 CPU/FPU/MMU. For me any other instructions or functionality is a big negative. It would be awesome if someone could do 040/030/020/010 & 000 implementations too. If it's not this project then hopefully some day someone will do it.

[Paulie85]

As you see we support already 5 FPGA systems, and the 6th is current in development

I think we are already quite thin spread with our man power to support all 6 systems in parallel

I was wondering why you take on so many things at once.Maybe it would be better to work on just one system at a time, test it and put it out -then work on the next one?

[biggun]

I was wondering why you take on so many things at once.Maybe it would be better to work on just one system at a time, test it and put it out -then work on the next one?

This is easy to explain.
There are several people involved in the project

Igor Majstorovic, did develop the Vampire600 accelerator card for the A600, and the Vampire500 card for the A500. These cards to exist already.


Jens Künzer owns a Terasic stand alone FPGA system.
This system offer great performance for price. The system was sold for $90
The FPGA is fast enough for 600 MHz 68020 speed.
The sys tem has audio and video out.
And comes with dual fast memory controller and 256 MB fastmem.
So he wants to bring uo this one.

Christoph Hoehne has designed the Apollo-Phoenix Cyclone 5 CPU accelerators for A500/A1000/A2000. This is a great system not only able to provide a very good speed up, but also includes GFX card update and more features.
He of course does the bringup of this card.

Thomas Hirsch - is probably well known as the inventor of the NATAMI currently tests the integration of Phoenix CORE in the NATAMI as option for people instead using an 68060.

[alphadec]

Christoph Hoehne has designed the Apollo-Phoenix Cyclone 5 CPU accelerators for A500/A1000/A2000. This is a great system not only able to provide a very good speed up, but also includes GFX card update and more features.
He of course does the bringup of this card.

Thomas Hirsch - is probably well known as the inventor of the NATAMI currently tests the integration of Phoenix CORE in the NATAMI as option for people instead using an 68060.

two questions!.

1. So when will this stand-alone system be possible to buy. ?

2. "Thomas Hirsch - is probably well known as the inventor of the NATAMI currently tests the integration of Phoenix CORE in the NATAMI as option for people instead using an 68060."

- So that means he is working on natami, today. ? Extremly intresting please give us a timeframe when this will be something me as a end user can buy. ??

[ElPolloDiabl]

It would be funny if progress stopped because we needed to make it Linux compatible. Then in 5 years we will still be using 030s and 060s. No FPGA accelerators.

[biggun]

two questions!.

1. So when will this stand-alone system be possible to buy. ?

The terrasic stand alone system you can buy already today.
They are professional FPGA boards not done buy us.

The NATAMI was sold to a limited number of users.
If /When Thomas will sell again - I do not know and can not answer.
But the option to have more than 68060 CPU power and at the same price reduce the cost as 68060 does not need to be bought, makes sense.

I assume both Chis and Igor could /might also create a stand alone system based on their current designs with very interesting features..
This would logically make sense - but no timeline yet.

t
- So that means he is working on natami, today. ? Extremly intresting please give us a timeframe when this will be something me as a end user can buy. ??

He is obviously working with it.
When/or if at all they will be available I can not answer.
It hardly makes sense now to speculate.
First of all you should give him the time to finish the integration.

[Lord Aga]

CPU

in FPGA  ~ 600 Mhz 68020 Speed
in Very Good FPGA ~ 1200 Mhz 68020 Speed
+ needed investment to develop an FPGA system is low - some hundred to maybe thousand $ to get prototype
+  Bugs can be fixed in the field

CPU
in low end ASIC  ~ 1000 MHz 68020 Speed
in high end ASIC  ~ 5000 MHz 68020 Speed
- needed investment is huge for high end Asic the price for prototype can be in range of $200,000
- if there is a bug then the ASIC can not be fixed.
- To fix a bug again $100,000 need to be invested.

This post hopefully clears everything up

We are going to have super-duper Amigas with minimum risk and investment folks.
Sure, we could have insanely fast Amigas, and 5 GHz does sound temping, but it is a HUGE step. And requires an amount of money that goes far beyond enthusiasm. Unless one of us wins some crazy lottery

So please, let us appreciate what the team is doing right now and hold the unrealistic suggestions unless someone knows an eager investor

[NovaCoder]

The terrasic stand alone system you can buy already today.
They are professional FPGA boards not done buy us.

The NATAMI was sold to a limited number of users.
If /When Thomas will sell again - I do not know and can not answer.
But the option to have more than 68060 CPU power and at the same price reduce the cost as 68060 does not need to be bought, makes sense.
.

I take it you know about this?

A1200 accelerator interface

[Fats]

CPU
in low end ASIC  ~ 1000 MHz 68020 Speed
in high end ASIC  ~ 5000 MHz 68020 Speed
- needed investment is huge for high end Asic the price for prototype can be in range of $200,000
- if there is a bug then the ASIC can not be fixed.
- To fix a bug again $100,000 need to be invested.

I don't know what you mean with low end ASIC but you also have the structured ASICs, now most of the time using one-mask programmable ASIC. Examples I know of are eASIC and Triad Semiconductor. They have power consumption advantages over FPGA and startup cost over full custom (standard cell) ASICs. Speed advantages over FPGA has to be evaluated.

[Nickman]

New video to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B69-EA3XOBM

[wawrzon]

sorry, but this cant be real time, none is able to use computer at this speed.

[Nickman]

sorry, but this cant be real time, none is able to use computer at this speed.

LOL i have a friend who writes C code in this speed or faster.

[Lord Aga]

Perhaps the user has also been flashed with a new core

[Rob]

LOL i have a friend who writes C code in this speed or faster.

Is the code any good though?

[trekiej]

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