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Offline OlafS3

Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #119 on: February 10, 2015, 08:45:29 PM »
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For me, 64MB in an A1200 is a much unwanted downgrade, my aging A1200 already has 192MB and for the work the Amiga is actually usable for - simple 2D animation - 192MB is limiting. In my A4000 I can fill up the zorro bus with 1GB of RAM, but then I have no space for other cards. Only viable option for legacy software is really emulation.

In my view, to put 2GB on the card is well worth it. I would make a card that is essencially an FPGA computer, with a lot of RAM, some flash and I/O, and use that as base for all Amiga computers with different connection board for the various models.

64bit memory addressing for m68k has no use unless you have more RAM anyways.


for most Amiga users 64 MB and expecially 128 MB are a upgrade and we need to lift the average user hardware level and not the level of a few power users. Software (if commercial or as freeware or shareware) is alsways developed for the average user. Nobody is against more RAM, I would have no problem with 4 GB either but it is simply no option if you do not custom hardware. Custom hardware is too expensive. So if you see it as a "downgrade" you do not need to buy it. And there are good reasons for this strategy. If you have a reasonable how to deliver affordable hardware with 2GB RAM and FPGA just say it. We will certainly discuss it. As long as there is not a better plan we will stick to what we have.
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Offline OlafS3

Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #120 on: February 10, 2015, 08:51:21 PM »
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Hey, you can glue an AMD64 chip onto the 68000 and call it a 64bit upgrade!! Just as usefull!! Anything AmigaOS is stuck in 32bit forever, and for some even that is too much.


you should start thinking before posting
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #121 on: February 10, 2015, 08:57:55 PM »
All this back and forth...

Seems simple to me. Pack as much speed and memory as physically possible within a given price. RAM is pretty cheap these days. If, for instance, you can add 2GiB of memory and an 060 class CPU for even twice the price of a 128MiB based solution then do it. In reality I doubt it will really increase the cost by such a large factor.

2GiB may seem vast for a 68K machine but it simply means applications can work on larger projects and more applications can be open at once (as long as they are not CPU bound).

One technical point, if you are implementing an MMU, you might get some big tables.

If there are other, hardware based reasons for sticking to smaller memory sizes, then that's fair enough.
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #122 on: February 10, 2015, 09:04:27 PM »
Moderators should not enter the fray with an opinion that can't be argued because they are a "Moderator."  This seems to be quite common with the result of a user being banned.
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Offline OlafS3

Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #123 on: February 10, 2015, 09:08:10 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;783561
All this back and forth...

Seems simple to me. Pack as much speed and memory as physically possible within a given price. RAM is pretty cheap these days. If, for instance, you can add 2GiB of memory and an 060 class CPU for even twice the price of a 128MiB based solution then do it. In reality I doubt it will really increase the cost by such a large factor.

2GiB may seem vast for a 68K machine but it simply means applications can work on larger projects and more applications can be open at once (as long as they are not CPU bound).

One technical point, if you are implementing an MMU, you might get some big tables.

If there are other, hardware based reasons for sticking to smaller memory sizes, then that's fair enough.


The price for RAM chips are not the problem. The Vampire is how it is with its 64 MB RAM. The new boards are based on off-the-shelve boards that have the advantage to be cheap. These boards have a certain amount of RAM. You can of course make a custom board that would be much more expensive or you take a premium board that is more expensive too. I am sure there will be more advanced options with more RAM in future. For me it is more important to have a general technical lift of the whole user base than just a small number of power users.
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #124 on: February 10, 2015, 09:08:54 PM »
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Moderators should not enter the fray with an opinion that can't be argued because they are a "Moderator."  This seems to be quite common with the result of a user being banned.

Huh? The previous post is my opinion on the subject at hand. Not a moderation statement. If you think my opinion on adding as much ram as reasonably possible is invalid, nobody is going to get banned... Lol
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Offline OlafS3

Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #125 on: February 10, 2015, 09:11:18 PM »
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Moderators should not enter the fray with an opinion that can't be argued because they are a "Moderator."  This seems to be quite common with the result of a user being banned.


he has just said his opinion
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Offline danbeaver

Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #126 on: February 10, 2015, 09:11:54 PM »
Users are not allowed to argue with Moderators
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #127 on: February 10, 2015, 09:14:40 PM »
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Users are not allowed to argue with Moderators


Arguing with moderators is one of my favorite hobbies :-)
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #128 on: February 10, 2015, 09:19:03 PM »
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The price for RAM chips are not the problem. The Vampire is how it is with its 64 MB RAM. The new boards are based on off-the-shelve boards that have the advantage to be cheap. These boards have a certain amount of RAM. You can of course make a custom board that would be much more expensive or you take a premium board that is more expensive too. I am sure there will be more advanced options with more RAM in future. For me it is more important to have a general technical lift of the whole user base than just a small number of power users.


So it's the off-the-shelf board underpinning the project that limits the amount of memory? If so, then that's a reasonable trade-off.

I don't think the term "power user" really fits an Amiga enthusiast.

Anyway, if a 68060 class expansion with GiB levels of RAM ever shows up for A1200 and so on, I'd definitely be interested. Alas my A600 is long dead :(
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Offline OlafS3

Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #129 on: February 10, 2015, 09:24:25 PM »
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So it's the off-the-shelf board underpinning the project that limits the amount of memory? If so, then that's a reasonable trade-off.

I don't think the term "power user" really fits an Amiga enthusiast.

Anyway, if a 68060 class expansion with GiB levels of RAM ever shows up for A1200 and so on, I'd definitely be interested. Alas my A600 is long dead :(


the bigger card will be for A500

if a Amiga user needs 2 GB RAM I would call him a "power user" :-)
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #130 on: February 10, 2015, 09:25:54 PM »
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Shush, then :lol:
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #131 on: February 10, 2015, 09:26:36 PM »
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #132 on: February 10, 2015, 09:28:57 PM »
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the bigger card will be for A500

if a Amiga user needs 2 GB RAM I would call him a "power user" :-)


I didn't need a 1.25 GB HDD for my A1200 in 1994 but I still went for it. You always find a use for more resource.

Incidentally, that drive still works 21 years later :)
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #133 on: February 10, 2015, 09:33:43 PM »
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I didn't need a 1.25 GB HDD for my A1200 in 1994 but I still went for it. You always find a use for more resource.

Incidentally, that drive still works 21 years later :)

Fantastic!  What's the make & model of that puppy?  :D
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Re: ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS
« Reply #134 from previous page: February 10, 2015, 09:35:37 PM »
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Seriously? You're pulling my leg, right?!

Just to be clear, in case you really are serious. Users aren't supposed to argue moderator's moderation decisions publicly. Do you see a moderation decision here?

Moderators are still users and are allowed opinions on whatever is being discussed. At least when I last checked.
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