cyberstormppc.rom ?

[warpdesign]

Well I am surprised, that any one can hold a grudge for 15 years or more.

+1

[wawrzon]

running os4 in emulation is illegal according to the os4 development lead person, it wont be supported, its only tolerated. they just decided to cash on it anyway. now the owner of the necessary firmware, who doesnt earn any penny on that, has stated, that the replication and distribution of his firmware is illegal but will be tolerated if it isnt done commercially.

now i wonder, why the developers linked to morphos get all the bashing for not supporting the usage, they dont have any business with. this whole affair will not affect anything, except the good feeling os4 uae users may have gained, if they could claim everything they do is legal and official, as they seem to insist on it where they can. otherwise everybody can proceed further as they did, i dont see the problem.

[Bugala]

running os4 in emulation is illegal according to the os4 development lead person, it wont be supported, its only tolerated.

Do you have a link to this?

For as far as i have understood (but i havent really read), the point was that it is legal to emulate AOS4, but just that you wont get support for problems that might be because of emulation environment.

As example, if you have X1000, and there is some piece of hardware causing problem to AOS4, you can get support for it. But if there comes some problem under Emulation environment, then they wont help you.

I also wonder if it is actually even possible to legally forbid someone from using anything under emulation.

[number6]

running os4 in emulation is illegal according to the os4 development lead person, it wont be supported, its only tolerated.

Think about this...doing a demo at AmiWest while surrounded by fans and spokesperson for AmigaOS4...

I expect somebody will. It has become a pretty popular trick in recent weeks.

WinUAE is not a supported target platform so you are 100% on your own.

#6

[Andre.Siegel]

Well I am surprised, that any one can hold a grudge for 15 years or more.

Grudge against whom?

Pascal Papara and Ralph Schmidt have never had any public issues with one another.

On the other hand, it is Hyperion Entertainment CVBA who are legally in a position to officially release a version of their operating system for emulation purposes but have instead made a point to state in their software license agreement that users are only allowed to run their OS on specific hardware platforms.

By not licensing his software (at this time), Ralph Schmidt is in fact discouraging the commercial enablement of what Hyperion Entertainment CBVA consider to be an "unsupported use" of their software.

Does this sound like somebody who wants to upset Hyperion Entertainment CBVA at all costs? Hardly.

[number6]

Grudge against whom?

Pascal Papara and Ralph Schmidt have never had any public issues with one another.

On the other hand, it is Hyperion Entertainment CVBA who are legally in a position to officially release a version of their operating system for emulation purposes but have instead made a point to state in their software license agreement that users are only allowed to run their OS on specific hardware platforms.

By not licensing his software (at this time), Ralph Schmidt is in fact discouraging the commercial enablement of what Hyperion Entertainment CBVA consider to be an "unsupported use" of their software.

Does this sound like somebody who wants to upset Hyperion Entertainment CBVA at all costs? Hardly.

Agree, but that's not how the thinking goes.

AmigaOS4.x for classic was said to be their "best seller" at one point.
So the logic being employed is that any action that seemingly affects their "best seller" has been taken with intention to do harm. Any other logical explanation is to be ignored. heh.

#6

[trekiej]

How many companies made a ppc accelerator?
I do not remember many.

[eliyahu]

@trekiej

besides phase5? i know of some prototypes being produced, by one of the guys at metabox, but can't think of anyone who produced powerpc accelerator expansions other than phase 5 with their blizzard and cyberstorm lines. can anyone else?

-- eliyahu

[Bugala]

state in their software license agreement that users are only allowed to run their OS on specific hardware platforms.

So you mean that when you install AOS4 and there comes this "legal agreement" or what ever they call it there, there reads what you just quoted or they have said it elsewhere?

Im not saying that i dont believe they have said that, I am just curious if they did so. For it is quite strange move from them if they did. I do completely understand that they dont give support for emulation, since that is bit hard to control, but if they even forbid using AOS4 through emulation, then thats strange.

I am also asking this since at least from what Number6 put links to, they didnt say it wasnt allowed, they just said theres no support.

[eliyahu]

So you mean that when you install AOS4 and there comes this "legal agreement" or what ever they call it there, there reads what you just quoted or they have said it elsewhere?

the license includes the following line:

This license allows you to install or operate the Amiga OS only on a computer system that had a version of AmigaOS installed on it at the time you acquired such computer system or which was especially prepared for running Amiga OS through the use of a dedicated flashrom or similar mechanism.

-- eliyahu

[Bugala]

Interesting. I wonder how is AmigaOS was installed at time computer was bought is determined.

For example, If i buy a PC with one of the previous versions of Amikit that still required you to have AOS in it, then would that be a legit machine then? That did it have AOS installed in it at the time i bought the machine?

Also, I wonder if clause like that is actually legal. As example, can I sell you a car with condition that you only use it to travel between French and England?

[wawrzon]

Interesting. I wonder how is AmigaOS was installed at time computer was bought is determined.

thats an interesting clause anyway. by this definition installing os4 on genuine amigaone computers must have likely been illegal as well, since as far as i have heard they were delivered with linux as os4 wasnt available at the release. am i wrong?

[eliyahu]

thats an interesting clause anyway. by this definition installing os4 on genuine amigaone computers must have likely been illegal as well, since as far as i have heard they were delivered with linux as os4 wasnt available at the release. am i wrong?

no. you are wrong. "This License allows you to install and use the Amiga OS on a single Amiga-branded or Amiga-licensed computer at a time."

-- eliyahu

[Bugala]

@wawrzon.

What i left out from Eliyahus quote was "or which was especially prepared for running Amiga OS through the use of a dedicated flashrom or similar mechanism."

I would imagine amigaone computers would fall under this OR part.

[wawrzon]

no. you are wrong. "This License allows you to install and use the Amiga OS on a single Amiga-branded or Amiga-licensed computer at a time."

-- eliyahu

except it seems amigaone is not an amiga-branded nor amiga-licensed computer in a strict legal sense, am i wrong again?

[itix]

"This License allows you to install and use the Amiga OS on a single Amiga-branded or Amiga-licensed computer at a time."

This license allows you to install or operate the Amiga OS only on a computer system that had a version of AmigaOS installed on it at the time you acquired such computer system or which was especially prepared for running Amiga OS through the use of a dedicated flashrom or similar mechanism.

I wonder... is it considered illegal to install OS 4.1 FE to Pegasos? It certainly is not Amiga-branded and I have not seen any proofs or claims it is Amiga-licensed computer. And so on.

Or is the license different for different OS4 4.1 flavours?

(Just here...)