One unified OS for the future?

[Heiroglyph]

Can anyone give an unbiased pro/con list for current MorphOS and OS4 that doesn't involve hardware?

For example, MorphOS lacks a proper debugger and that's a show-stopper con for me.

I hear that you can use a debugger on OS4, but I can't personally attest to it.

[giZmo350]

Debugger....

here... http://hdrlab.org.nz/articles/amiga-os-articles/debug-logging/

and here... http://www.os4coding.net/news/debug-101-v1-first-class-debugger-os-41

Didn't I here something about a hardware based debugger for OS4.X? :confused:

[wawrzon]

Can anyone give an unbiased pro/con list for current MorphOS and OS4 that doesn't involve hardware?

For example, MorphOS lacks a proper debugger and that's a show-stopper con for me.

I hear that you can use a debugger on OS4, but I can't personally attest to it.

i think on aros hosted you can use gdb. apparently even with the aros68k under emulation. but i dont have any experience with it yet.

[Spectre660]

New Native OS 4 GDB in the works.

http://www.a-eon.com/PDF/News_Release_Software_Content.pdf

Can anyone give an unbiased pro/con list for current MorphOS and OS4 that doesn't involve hardware?

For example, MorphOS lacks a proper debugger and that's a show-stopper con for me.

I hear that you can use a debugger on OS4, but I can't personally attest to it.

[wawrzon]

ah, forgot the obvious link:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support
scroll down to gdb section.

[Heiroglyph]

ah, forgot the obvious link:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support
scroll down to gdb section.

Thanks.

So beyond that, how do they compare?

I was pretty impressed with Ambient, very polished. How does Workbench on OS4 compare?

Hows the stability? How seamlessly do 68k apps integrate?

What do you dislike in each?

[fishy_fiz]

@fishy_fiz
The x1000 would give me more fun than the combination of an i7 AROS machine, a g5 mos machine+license and a new tv .
An some would have more fun just looking at the money in their bank account .

And that's fine. But others wouldn't. If there was only one choice, the amiga community, regardless of preferred flavour would suffer.

[ElPolloDiabl]

You don't have to complain. If you like classic there will be faster FPGA accelerators soon.

[fishy_fiz]

Is that aimed at me?
If so,.... haha, that's funny.
Second time recently here someone has responded randomly to me about classics.
Where did I mention them, and who's complaining?

[danwood]

Anyway, I can afford new amiga os hardware, I don't care much about the price, I do care that it is not old used hardware

Must admit, I always find that argument a bit odd on Amiga forums.  Don't most of us have old Commodore hardware in use that's at least twice as old (or three times) as a PPC Mac?

My G5 Tower from 2005 is at least 12 years younger than my newest Amiga.

[danwood]

Thanks.

So beyond that, how do they compare?

I was pretty impressed with Ambient, very polished. How does Workbench on OS4 compare?

Hows the stability? How seamlessly do 68k apps integrate?

What do you dislike in each?

Ambient is very polished yes, Workbench is.. well Workbench, it really depends what kind of Amiga user you were.  

If you ran a Workbench replacement like Dopus Magellan, chances are you'll prefer Ambient, if you used Workbench with some add-ons, you'll feel more at home on OS4.  Of course, you can run Dopus Magellan on either system as well.

Just down to taste really.

[Blinx123]

Just an idea but if people wanted to create a unified Amiga OS, perhaps it would be wise to start with something like NetBSD and lay out an Amiga esque userland on top of it.

That way, we'd have a kernel that could run on anything from 68k to x86_64. And at least for non-68k systems, running 68k applications wouldn't make much of a difference (they require emulation anyways).

[Yasu]

* delete this

[yssing]

@danwood >> I was ofcourse talking about NG systems.

[danwood]

@danwood >> I was ofcourse talking about NG systems.

Of course, but my point is that even most NG users still have Commodore Amigas around too.

I'm sure most on this forum have at least an A1200 or 500 still.

[Fats]

If you ran a Workbench replacement like Dopus Magellan, chances are you'll prefer Ambient, if you used Workbench with some add-ons, you'll feel more at home on OS4.  Of course, you can run Dopus Magellan on either system as well.

Just down to taste really.

Exactly, I was always a workbench + VincED + Dirwork user and I prefer OS4 Workbench over MOS Ambient. That's also why I think an unbiased comparison is impossible.
From the other side I do think MOS has some better technical lower level implementations compared to OS4 so as the latters use of .so objects.