Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"

[danwood]

Well, there are different approaches to how things are "called out".

Dan Wood and Epsilon covers all things Amiga, and Dan has said on several occations that he thinks MorphOS is better atm than AOS. Tbh, from what Ive seen I find it hard to argue with him on that point.
But he does so in a coherent, collected, systematic and sometimes even funny manner. Not coming off like a frothing ranter.

I dont see any reason to belittle other peoples choice of platform, nor the developers for them..

Well said Niding, if anything it's a miracle that the platforms are still here and being developed 20 years after Commodore's demise.  

I find them all interesting, and the Classic edition of 4.1 FE will give those who are curious an easy way to try it out at last for a cheap price.  Icaros 2.0 looks very impressive, I'll be trying that out soon, MorphOS continues to develop at an impressive pace and there's still some really cool hardware being made/in the pipeline for classics - it's a really good and exciting time to be an "Amigan"!

[Yasu]

This thread is funny. It's like watching people argue which custom made sports car is the best for go grocery shopping.

[F0LLETT]

This thread is funny. It's like watching people argue which custom made sports car is the best for go grocery shopping.

I know its stupid. I can see how it all started.

[takemehomegrandma]

Basically I, for one, accept the choice of hardware that has been made, and try to find the positive from THAT perspective.

What's positive about the chosen HW path? :confused:

The price for a X1000 system is higher than a massive *Power8* system from Tyan, while it's beaten by a decade old G4 laptop in most CPU intensive benchmarks that has been made public. Sam460 is slower than a 2004 Pegasos2 and a system will land at about a thousand Euros. The "X5000" coming in 2015/2016(?) is basically a 64-bit beefed up "G3" and will probably all in all be more of a side-way move than a move forward compared to the X1000, and IIRC it will *not* be considerably cheaper.

Meanwhile, the world has moved on to 2014. X86 is today several computer ages ahead from what is being discussed here. *Dimensions* apart, at the fraction or the cost!

Heck, even ARM is way ahead. Last year Apple released their first products based on their custom ARM architecture "Cyclone", developed completely in-house (ironically probably by CPU architects from PA-Semi/PA6T such as Jim Keller), which is actually *wider than Haswell* (image) based CPU's from Intel, such as Core i3/i5/i7. The Cyclone was actually a desktop class architecture, in a mobile CPU package. This year (2014) they released products based upon the *second* version of "Cyclone" (name of this architecture is AFAIK still unknown), and an iPhone 6 produces a spec int value just shy of a 2.5 GHz *G5* CPU. This should put things into perspective! Passively cooled, powered by a tiny pocket battery.

Remember AMD, the Intel competitor, those who bought ATI (Radeon)? In May this year (2014) they publicly demonstrated their first "Opteron A" series of ARM SoC chips (4-8 64-bit Cortex A57 cores, 8 x SATA3, 2 x PCIe 3 x4 slots (or 1 x x8), Up to 128GB DDR3/4 RAM). In 2015, AMD will be releasing their "Skybridge" line of CPU's, which will be the first pin compatible x86 and ARM (Cortex A-57 based) CPU's. In 2016 they will release *their* custom Desktop Class ARM CPU, the "K12" (development lead by Jim Keller).

During the last couple of years there has been many interesting HW solutions based upon Cortex-A8, Cortex-A9, Cortex-A15, and now the 64-bit Cortex-A57 is rolling out. We are talking *extremely* cheap but still very potent HW, the *perfect* hobby machines. And not to mention the x86 desktop/laptops!

So again, please tell me, what are the "positive things" you focus on regarding the OS4 HW path, really?

:confused:

[Yasu]

So again, please tell me, what are the "positive things" you focus on regarding the OS4 HW path, really?

The fact that there is one? You should keep in mind that Trevor makes these motherboards solely to run AmigaOS 4 on them. It's not some sideline business of his: it's literary the sole reason he does it. It's not cost effective for sure, but hell, even I understand that that kind of love got to count for something!

[Niding]

The fact that there is one? You should keep in mind that Trevor makes these motherboards solely to run AmigaOS 4 on them. It's not some sideline business of his: it's literary the sole reason he does it. It's not cost effective for sure, but hell, even I understand that that kind of love got to count for something!

Pretty much what Yasu said. Wether or not its "cost effective" or the "natural choice" is a moot point. The path has been set, and I decide to take the positives instead of nagging about something I have absolutly NO influence on.

That doesnt mean Im overly positive per see; giving constructive critizism about things that we can affect; like software development, bug reporting, features lacking or just plain broken; the list is rather long in that regard. I rather focus the time I spend on these forums to be just a little bit contructive.

Adding negativity to something I cant control Is just silly.

[ppcamiga1]

So again, please tell me, what are the "positive things" you focus on regarding the OS4 HW path, really?

It is simple.

New Amigas are big endian hardware.

And because new Amigas are big endian, it is easy to integrate new code with existing 68k software.