Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"

[amigadave]

I don't "report" posts, never had, never will. This is a fundamental on-line principle I have.

Well, that is too bad, because besides writing a PM to one of the moderators (which I assume you also would never do, because of your "on-line principle") it is the only method available to bring posts which contain any posting violations to the attention of the moderators and explain why you think such post is a violation.

Other members are free to express their opinions of your actions, as long as they don't cross the line into personal attacks.  IMO, I have already asked members to remove all personal attacks from their forum posts, but I may have missed one or two.  If you want to point them out to me, I will gladly work toward correcting any violations.

[takemehomegrandma]

Boring



I think that it is a fair assume that you are not a position to assume anything about that.

This whole thread is a fake, I don't belive that TMHGM has bought a copy of OS4, nor used it. There was a thread wich made it quite clear. This whole thread is purposely targetted to spread FUD.

OMG!!!

:rolleyes:

(Attaching a picture of my OS4.1 box)

[utri007]

Picture doens't proof anything.

At time of OS4 MUI release you wrote some opinons about OS4 funtionality, wich gave me a picture there is a quite lot things about OS4 wich you don't know.

I wouldn't thing that OS itself has any second hand value. Hardware wich run it has a value, so selling you Pegasos II with OS4 and MorphOS would make selling easier.

[takemehomegrandma]

@Karlos

Why on Earth do you believe these are relevant questions - in the context of my #1 post here - to ask me? I have seen several posts in this thread similar to this one. Why does it matter to what I have to say about Hyperion changing the rules in the middle of the game, "breaking the deal" about OS4.1 updates being free, 4.2 being the next version costing money?

People dream about "Amiga's Return" in the shape of OS4, but there is a lot of things in this thread suggesting that you simply aren't ready, you couldn't handle *real* people (from "outside" the cult) asking *real* questions about usability and ethics of OS4 and its parties!  This thread is a school book example of this!

I bought OS4 because 1) I'm an Amigan, 2) I like to follow with my own eyes what's really happening, how things are evolving, 3) I have no problem in supporting my hobby with my money. I ended up on place #14 with my $102 for the Odyssey bounty, which finally brought a real, decent browser (or at least the chance of it happening) to OS4. (Which place did you end up in, "Oldsmobile_Mike"?) Yes I do favor MorphOS any day (this has never been a topic of this thread, despite many people's tries), Yes I advocate MorphOS in public (not in this thread BTW, and not in the other one either (I edited out the one and only short reference to MorphOS I made so that moderators wouldn't perceive the thread of being "Blue vs. Red flamefest" but a genuine OS4-only discussion, not that it helped much in the end, but I tried)). But why wouldn't I be allowed to own an OS4.1 setup at the same time to learn about it? And why would my "MorphOS preference" be of any relevance to the issue I raised in Post #1? Doesn't MorphOS, AROS, Amiga, Windows, MacOS, Linux etc user have the right to own and have an opinions on OS4?

It's obviously all about Gospel. Everyone must sing. And some people does even if they haven't got a clue and not being part of it. This is why OS4 will fail, "real people" (general computer users, meaning "outsiders", and more specifically Alternative OS Enthusiasts) will never accept this "Cult and Worship" idea. And you don't see this requirement in the MorphOS or AROS communities BTW...

This has been a valuable thread, something to learn from, in several dimensions. I'm glad I started it.

[Niding]

Well, there are different approaches to how things are "called out".

Dan Woods/Kookytech and Epsilon covers all things Amiga, and Kooky has said on several occations that he thinks MorphOS is better atm than AOS. Tbh, from what Ive seen I find it hard to argue with him on that point.
But he does so in a coherent, collected, systematic and sometimes even funny manner. Not coming off like a frothing ranter.

I dont see any reason to belittle other peoples choice of platform, nor the developers for them.
I wouldnt register on MorphZone for example just to go riot about how it compares to XYZ OS's. They, like AOS and AROS got limited resources and developers in general, so expections of progress have to be accordingly.

Then again, either "side" seems to have their share of atagonizers in it for the "lolz", so its a thankless job for the moderators.

[takemehomegrandma]

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Violation TOS

No Vulgar/inappropriate Behavior.
No Personal Attacks

[Niding]

As long as you dont apply for the MorphOS Public Relations officer, I think it will work out fine.

[takemehomegrandma]

Well, there are different approaches to how things are "called out".

Dan Woods/Kookytech and Epsilon covers all things Amiga, and Kooky has said on several occations that he thinks MorphOS is better atm than AOS. Tbh, from what Ive seen I find it hard to argue with him on that point.
But he does so in a coherent, collected, systematic and sometimes even funny manner. Not coming off like a frothing ranter.

I dont see any reason to belittle other peoples choice of platform, nor the developers for them.
I wouldnt register on MorphZone for example just to go riot about how it compares to XYZ OS's. They, like AOS and AROS got limited resources and developers in general, so expections of progress have to be accordingly.

Then again, either "side" seems to have their share of atagonizers in it for the "lolz", so its a thankless job for the moderators.

Not once in post #1 did I mention MorphOS, not once did I discuss pros/cons, not once did I belittle other peoples choice (which I actually share, having actually bought OS4.1 for my Pegasos2, although my preference obviously *is* MorphOS). Neither did I register here to go riot how MorphOS compares to XYZ OS.

Post #1 had nothing to do with sides. It was all about Hyperion's changed pricing policy for OS4.1. All Red. Nothing Blue.

You are a prime example of what I meant with "schizophrenia" above. You can't see what's actually there, you are debating ghosts. Fighting windmills.

[Niding]

Not really.

I was commenting on a general basis the tone and how to present a case. I could use AROS, Toothbrush, AOS, MorphOS, a dish at the local resturant as an example.

Its how some people argue with a realtivly friendly demeanor, and then some jump up and down throwing arguments at people like snowballs.

The case at hand has nothing to do with that.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

With all your comments about "refer to post #1", I went back and read it again. Were you actually asking a question with that post, or as someone else pointed out, just being a "frothing ranter"? (I think that's my new favorite term of the week, BTW)  

You might want to refer back to this politely worded post. You get more flies with honey than with vinegar, after all. :rolleyes:

[takemehomegrandma]

Not really.

I was commenting on a general basis the tone and how to present a case. I could use AROS, Toothbrush, AOS, MorphOS, a dish at the local resturant as an example.

Its how some people argue with a realtivly friendly demeanor, and then some jump up and down throwing arguments at people like snowballs.

The case at hand has nothing to do with that.

Well, when writing post #1 in this thread, I wasn't happy about the subject of the post. This is still the case. Even more so after 3 pages of abuse. This reflects my tone. I claim the right to put forward an "unhappy tone" when I'm not happy with something.

However I never mentioned anything else than OS4, didn't compare it to anything at all, didn't belittle anyone, didn't troll, didn't spread FUD, did *nothing* besides what's in post #1. Basically, this thread is three pages of reactions to something that simply was never there.

Post #1 is still there if you want to read it again.

And of course, so is the 3 pages of responses.

This thread is worthy of a bookmark for future schoolbook examples!

[takemehomegrandma]

You might want to refer back to this politely worded post

• You disregard the commonly know fact that paying OS4.1 customers would receive free upgrades until OS4.2
• You side with "gizmo350's" rather weird views that it lies within *my* responsibility (as an end-user, no - rather a *potential* end user - according to him) to actually research a road-map for OS4 and their future upgrade policies regarding various HW platforms before I buy, from an entity that is notoriously more silent than a Black Hole on anything more future than a year in the past?
• You actually *blame me* for ending up being a somewhat disgruntled customer, because of 1) and 2) above?

You continue to amaze me, Oldsmobile_Mike.

:laughing:

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

You actually *blame me* for ending up being a somewhat disgruntled customer, because of 1) and 2) above?

No, I blame you for your vitriolic and offensive ranting in every thread possible, turning off users in droves, when you probably could've resolved all of this by polite discussion via PM with people who actually have some say over how this software is licensed and sold.  How many hours have you spent on forum posting to promote your opinion?  I would calculate that into however much you claim to have spent, factoring for depreciation, clearly your time is not worth very much if you have so much of it free to waste on this.  :laughing:

[Niding]

I think what most people take into account when they comment about these platforms;

1) Manpower and limited resources
2) Little return for efforts (for developers)

If I bought a Wintel computer with Windows 8 or whatever, I expect state of the art for the sum you currently get X1000 for.
Even the cost of SAM 460 will net you a very nice Wintel machine.
So when we buy that kind of gear we expect instant response and resolution when something goes wrong. Something needs updated? Go to internet and voila, its fixed instantly for any addtional gear.

When we buy OS or hardware on our platforms we to a certain extent have to take 1 and 2 into consideration. If you havent gone into a purchase with that in the back of your head, then as Karlos said "shame on you".
That doesnt mean I wont hold AmigaKits feet to the fire if something they deliver arrives broken. But there is enough information out there to let you make your own wellinformed evaluation BEFORE you spend the money.

Crying "bloody murder" after the fact seems a bit odd.

And with the fact that its been 6 years since last time they asked for a payment for OS expansion/patch/upgrade, I dont find it unreasonable. If you compare the value vs performance to the MASS production market, then you have really a wrong perspective, and you cant blame anybody except yourself.

Anyhow; this sounds like a discussion done to death 100s of times, so Im gonna check out of it.

[haywirepc]

How many replies to this thread are the mods here going to move, edit, delete or censor...?

[Spectre660]

Where is this stated or documented ?

• You disregard the commonly know fact that paying OS4.1 customers would receive free upgrades until OS4.2