Regarding pricing policy of "OS4.1.7"

[danbeaver]

Let us just settle this debate with our wallets .

Two Thumbs Up!

[amigadave]

I wasn't complaining, it's not even something that affects me as I'm not an existing OS4.1 user. I just find Hyperion's business logic a little strange (because they are exposing themself to the Osborne effect - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect) and I'm relieved that I never bought a copy of OS4.1 in the past or during the next month, because I would probably be feeling let down by this. Surely we're all allowed to have an opinion about things and sympathy for fellow users.

My expression, quoted above, of thinking that anyone who complains about paying for a 30 Euro update is a waste of time and energy which could be better used elsewhere should not be misconstrued as a statement that people are not free to express their opinions about any topic.  I just meant that IMO this topic does not deserve any of my time, but has obviously taken up a great deal of my time in reading and responding to this thread.

All members are free to express their opinions on any (hopefully Amiga related) topics here, as long as they follow the posting guidelines in how they express themselves.

[yssing]

Personal view; I don't mind paying e30 to ensure my hobby is supported.

Neither do I

[takemehomegrandma]

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Violation TOS

No Vulgar/inappropriate Behavior.
No Personal Attacks

[danbeaver]

I've been wondering, "What encourages developers for a small installed-base OS to continue to program?"  I mean that if it wasn't hard work, everybody would be doing it.

Does being negative and bashing their work help?  Would paying them money to do something (that others troll the forums to complain about) be a positive motivation?

If you can do better for free and take the abuse, then jump right in!:laughing:

[takemehomegrandma]

"What encourages developers for a small installed-base OS to continue to program?" ... Would paying them money to do something be a positive motivation?

Developers *actually getting paid* would indeed be a very good thing for motivation!

:lol:

(Sorry for the "smash", but you really served me a "smash ball" there )

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

And I must say that it's especially rewarding when people like "Oldsmobile_Mike" join in on the mob.

Bitch, bitch, whine, snip.  Thanks, you just made up my mind for me to buy a copy of 4.1 FE when it's available.  I don't have enough time to support nearly all of my hobbies (because sorry, I have a life outside of the Internet), but I believe in supporting the developers.  Bye!

[amigadave]

Even one of the site's moderators is participating, instead of cleaning things up.

Not true, I have asked members to self edit their posts when they have violated a Posting Guideline rule, or did you conveniently overlook that post by amigasociety?

If you have any complaints about any of the posts in this thread, please use the "Report Post" button to bring it to our attention.

As a rule, moderators try to refrain from moderating in a thread that they are actively participating in, so forgive me if I ask one of the other moderators to handle any reported posts in which the members refuse to self edit out any violations they have posted.

Members who post opposing opinions to yours are not automatically considered a personal attack.  If your claims were true about the corporate mentality of this site, your original post would have been deleted shortly after it was first posted.

Edit:  I find it laughable that you are implying that more moderation is needed on this site.  I guess it only applies to what gets moderated not being aligned with your point of view to satisfy your perception of what should be moderated and what should not.

[takemehomegrandma]

Bitch, bitch, whine, snip.  Thanks, you just made up my mind for me to buy a copy of 4.1 FE when it's available.

/me pats the Schäfer on its head: Good Boy! And get yourself a X1000 for it as well while you are in this charity mode, so you'll actually have some *use* for it!

I believe in supporting the developers.

So do I, this was obviously never the issue here.

:rolleyes:

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

get yourself a X1000 for it as well while you are in this charity mode, so you'll actually have some *use* for it

How about donating me one of yours, since obviously they have you so frothing at the mouth you can't bear to look at them?  

[utri007]

Boring

I think it's fair to assume that the X1000 users who was originally promised a free OS4.2 when it gets available, will have to pay for it in the end.

I think that it is a fair assume that you are not a position to assume anything about that.

This whole thread is a fake, I don't belive that TMHGM has bought a copy of OS4, nor used it. There was a thread wich made it quite clear. This whole thread is purposely targetted to spread FUD.

[Karlos]

@takemehomegrandma

I have an entirely serious question. Given the following, in what I assume is more or less chronological order:

1) You started off with OS4.0 in the A1 XE days
2) You had a poor experience (not atypical for the A1/OS4.0 combo)
3) You switched to MorphOS (presumably getting a Peg2 around that time)
4) You had a much better experience
5) You subsequently became one of the most vocal advocates of MorphOS, rarely missing an opportunity to point out it's superiority over OS4

Why *on earth* did you ever buy OS4.1 for the Peg2? It makes about as much sense as me buying pork chops and a crate of beer.

It really doesn't seem like a rational thing to have done for someone in your position. Long before 4.1 for Pegasos2 was ever available you'd already made the switch; I can clearly remember you advocating MorphOS long before 4.1 was available for any platform.

You said above:

I feel double-tricked, there is no way to move either forwards or backwards without either losing money already spent, or spend even more money.

While I do sympathise with the sentiment that you feel are losing out on second hand retail value, it seems like this was a situation you could (and by rights should) have avoided easily. There's an old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

[takemehomegrandma]

I ask one of the other moderators to handle any reported posts

I don't "report" posts, never had, never will. This is a fundamental on-line principle I have.

Members who post opposing opinions to yours are not automatically considered a personal attack.

But come on. Look at post #1 in this thread, and then on the following three pages. Compare the intellectual level, compare their purposes and their contents. Only 2 or 3 are actually discussing the topic, the rest are about ridiculing in flock, character assassination, etc. But I digress, this has been the norm in every single OS4 centric site I have ever visited. I knew what was coming the minute I pressed the "Submit" button.

If your claims were true about the corporate mentality of this site, your original post would have been deleted shortly after it was first posted.

Mind you, this was my 2nd try to raise focus on this subject.

:rolleyes:

[Niding]

What will a realistic second hand price of a 30 Euro OS be? One half, 15 Euros? Or one tenth, 3 Euros? More likely the latter. Which is pretty much equal to zero. Not worth the effort.

I once spent almost 140 Euros on OS4.1 for Pegasos2 (including VAT and shipment of the physical CD I never asked for, and never used). Now they will ask another 30 Euros for the 7th update of OS4.1. Including VAT and shipment, that price could very well double, when talking about EU customers. So in the end I will probably have spent around 200 Euros on OS4.1 (not even OS4.2!!).

What I really wanted to say with the "second hand" argument, was that if I would ever want to sell my OS4.1 enabled Pegasos2, I will no longer be able to add a (for me) fair "including OS4.1" argument to the price. This would previously have been a quite important part of the price I could hope to ask in total.

So instead of asking something like "Price for a second hand Pegasos2 G4 + 1/2 of 140 Euros (70 Euros) for OS4.1", the price will more realistically be "Price for a second hand Pegasos2 G4 + 1/10 of 30 Euros (3 Euros) for OS 4.1". Three bloody Euros aren’t even worth mentioning!

So after having spent close to 200 Euros on OS4.1, I could probably hope for 3 Euros in second hand value for it whenever I sell my Pegasos2. And it will still only be OS4.1. The one with "free updates". OS4.1.7 will be another 4.1 version bump, followed by a new stream of minor updates through "AmiUpdate" just like before. This could very well mark the first step in ssolie's "subscription" idea, I guess we'll see when "OS4.1.8" sees the day of light...

Seriously? You expect a OS from 2008 to have any value 6 years++ down the road?
In a drawer next to me I have WB 1.3, 3.0, 3.1, 3.9, windows 95, windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 7 and 8. I would be suprised If I got a lukewarm bottle of coke for them second hand.

The way I see it; the OS only got USERvalue, no resale value, no matter the platform.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Do people really care that much about "second hand retail value" of a thing?  When you buy a phone, or a t-shirt, or a TV, or... anything, really... except for maybe a car or a house... do you care how much money you can get for it after it's exhausted it's usefulness to you?  Or do you care more about the features and what it offers you, and the enjoyment you might get out of owning it?  If you buy an iPhone and then later switch to Android, do you continue to berate the old phone every chance you get, years down the road?  Meh.  Just ruminating, since I really don't understand it.  Go have fun with what you like, but don't berate others for their choices.  Life is too short for all of this mess.  

[amigadave]

I don't "report" posts, never had, never will. This is a fundamental on-line principle I have.

Well, that is too bad, because besides writing a PM to one of the moderators (which I assume you also would never do, because of your "on-line principle") it is the only method available to bring posts which contain any posting violations to the attention of the moderators and explain why you think such post is a violation.

Other members are free to express their opinions of your actions, as long as they don't cross the line into personal attacks.  IMO, I have already asked members to remove all personal attacks from their forum posts, but I may have missed one or two.  If you want to point them out to me, I will gladly work toward correcting any violations.