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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #104 from previous page: July 18, 2014, 03:35:10 PM »
When I get IRIX Magic Desktop configured just as I like it I'll have to post a picture. Its so elegantly simple and free of the stuff that makes OS X and GNU/Linux terrible looking. BSD is also a great OS, but it lacks the elegance. Its like an AKM vs a G3 rifle, the G3 is prettier, but the AKM sees far more use as a military weapon.
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #105 on: July 18, 2014, 05:35:16 PM »
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And like many others, I was completely puzzled why MorphOS (any or all) themes wasn't allowed in this post. It's like the dark ages over at AmigaWorld.net, where MorphOS was discarded as equally Amiga irrelevant as Windows, MacOS or Linux. But then again, here we have all of these (irrelevant) OS's mentioned. But not MorphOS.

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Several posters in this thread has already put forward many good looking MorphOS GUI's, so I won't bother. Especially not since it's obviously *off topic* in this thread! :rolleyes:

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If you read the entire thread you would already know the answer to your question.  It was the original poster who created this thread and poll who left MorphOS off of the list, and had nothing to do with any of the moderators or owner(s) of this site.  Anyone can create their own poll of any type and choose which names to include or exclude from the poll options.

The original poster said that he just ran out of poll slots (only 10 are allowed by the poll system), before he got to including MorphOS.  It might have been an unintentional result, or it may have been an intentional insult, but only the original poster would know the answer to that question.  I PM'ed him asking that he try to be more considerate of all Amiga and Amiga inspired choices first next time he does anything similar to this poll, so as not to insult any of our forum members.
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #106 on: July 18, 2014, 08:49:57 PM »
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When I get IRIX Magic Desktop configured just as I like it I'll have to post a picture. Its so elegantly simple and free of the stuff that makes OS X and GNU/Linux terrible looking. BSD is also a great OS, but it lacks the elegance. Its like an AKM vs a G3 rifle, the G3 is prettier, but the AKM sees far more use as a military weapon.


This I have to see.  It must be some real magick in there because 4DWM in base configuration is the dullest, most useless desktop environment I've ever had the displeasure of using.  Though, all you're really tweaking at the end of the day is what your shell window is going to look like since no real apps, in my experience, use the OS UI anyhow.  If they're not doing their own through GL they'll use a different toolkit like TK (first couple GUIs for Nuke were TK).
 

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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #107 on: July 25, 2014, 05:14:45 AM »
Well I got it the way I like it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but XSGI is an engineering marvel - X11 without the bull, yet mostly compatible with it.  Here I show off the standard IRIX console, my desktop, iconifying, mrxvt ( my terminal emulator ), FIrefox and the toolchest. At 1600 x 1200 on Mima, my Octane, I can comfortably browse the internet, check email etc. Which is important right now because my intel box caught a SIGHALTANDCATCHFIRE the other day and decided to burn its CPU up without cutting the power, ruining a $400 computer. Thus Mima is taking over daily driver duties as the Fuel is up for sale and Mima is roughly the same pace, unsurprisingly as the Octane is the pre-Tezro, which was the big brother of the Fuel.  4DWM may not be the prettiest out there, but it sure share's AmigaOS's customizabilty. Its definitely UNIX, but it has a artistic flair.  
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #108 on: July 25, 2014, 06:21:33 AM »
Yeah, that seriously just looks like plain 4DWM to me.  It's so bulky and unsophisticated looking, on top of being slow.  And there's just no getting around how janky and under-styled all the icons look.  

I've got nothing against IRIX, because I totally took to its shell environment as being like a super version of AmigaDOS.  In turn, the couple Amigas I had after I started using SGI I tried to make as Unix-like as possible, with BSD-like command additions, etc. and I even chose, at the time, an ISP that presented me with a shell prompt on a SUN with everything console/text based (this was pre-web and then using DNET for multiple shells and AMosaic).

Its only real advantages on the look of Workbench, which is also fairly unsophisticated in its design up to 3.9 (and now with 4.x made of what appears to be styling cues from about a decade ago and not modern at all), is that it's proportional at least and while the text rendering is really poor and ugly, they at least default to a good and readable font, jaggies and all.

edit: I didn't notice at first you scaled down your frame edges.  I worked a few shops where they must have had this installed because default install wouldn't let you get that tight.  I still went smaller on the top frame, which seemed to help the buttons.  Basically being able to scale everything about the UI to like 1/2 or smaller compared to the way it ships helps the window manager look less crude.  There's just no helping those icons though.  With the icon pack craze that has long existed, with real, working and gifted graphic designers doing totally cool replacement icon packs for other OSes, why couldn't SGI get ahold of some of that if they didn't have anyone internal with any sort of eye?
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #109 on: July 25, 2014, 06:31:44 AM »
Well as I said beautiful is a subjective term. I find 4DWM superior to even more advanced DEs such as GNOME or KDE. Now Lumina is shaping up if you ask me, but its still buggy and has a lot of work ahead of it. Enlightenment is good, but has way too much eye candy at times. I also hate how everything in Enlightenment is cross licensed so it makes it here for a user who prefers to avoid GPL when feasible from trimming dependencies.

And by the way just for kicks I messed around with NeWS on SunOS on my SPARCSTATION 20. All I have to say is its basically a rudimentary version of Quartz or Display PostScript. NeXTSTEP is awful too.
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2014, 06:34:44 AM »
And trust me, plain 4DWM looks terrible by comparison. I scaled down the widgets,and cleaned up the general configuration. If you don't have experience with the 6.5.22 or above its totally different from the 4 and 5 and even the early 6 series.
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2014, 01:55:11 PM »
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And by the way just for kicks I messed around with NeWS on SunOS on my SPARCSTATION 20. All I have to say is its basically a rudimentary version of Quartz or Display PostScript. NeXTSTEP is awful too.
NeWS on Solaris is horrible; ugly as sin and about the best thing that can be said is that at least it's not as slow as their X implementation.

As for NeXTSTEP, the icon-dock concept has grown on me, but the default "black bars" look is unappealing, and that three-column file manager is just ridiculous. I don't know how they ever expected people to get any serious work done with that.
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2014, 06:55:13 PM »
I don't mind the iconification of minimized programs. What I do mind is that NeXTSTEP is a proto OS X with just as many issues as the real thing. Golly gee I hate when people call it UNIX when its freaking Mach that is the kernel. I'm sorry but outside of Tru64 UNIX/Mach it sucks.
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #113 on: July 26, 2014, 03:21:08 AM »
And Mach is a Unix kernel.  Therefore it is Unix.  

Linux isn't Unix.  From an end user perspective it doesn't really matter since it walks and talks like that duck, and "Unix", from an end user perspective is more about the BSD tools than much of anything anyway, since you can run any shell on almost anything and the nittier and grittier stuff is only really relevant to IT professionals whose job is to make it work as close to advertised as is humanly possible, and religious software engineers,  but NeXT and its flavors called OpenStep and OSX are not NT and it's not even arguable that they're the most successful modern implementation of Unix there is, not only for doing what the Linux crowd still cannot but also for what came to life on NeXT and the NeXT technology that powered a fledgling internet as it gained mainstream and enterprise acceptance.

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And trust me, plain 4DWM looks terrible by comparison. I scaled down the widgets,and cleaned up the general configuration. If you don't have experience with the 6.5.22 or above its totally different from the 4 and 5 and even the early 6 series.

But your screenshot only shows an improvement in the right, left and bottom frame borders, making them almost disappear compared to default.  The top bar is still generic and unattractive with non-antialiased text.  Or do you just not have a picture of this "totally different" 4DWM?  Because that's effectively just a slightly anorexic looking version of bland as it ever was 4DWM and icons that go all the way back to pre-4DWM IRIX (which, icons didn't matter then or later since the "desktop" functionality of IRIX was pretty much ignored in the context of how alternatively useful this mode of machine interation is on Mac and Windows).   Roll back to the SS I posted just grabbing a 4DWM picture from the net and your's is not appreciably any more attractive, it's just put window borders on a diet.

I looked at the dates and the last version of IRIX I used was earlier 6.5.xx (up to about 6.5.12 or so), because by 1999 they had failed to keep up with Intel and now they were far too expensive for how slow they were.  Here we had multi-proc, multi-core Xeon systems becoming affordable and your average SGI workstation at the time was still P3 class performance with a small mortgage or car payment attached.

As much as I was not a fan of NT the absolutely stupidly designed, Xeon-powered 540 was a shot in the arm for productivity for a couple years in 1999 before BoXX and HP and even Dell systems running various grungy flavors of Linux with shoddy gfx drivers took saved us from a Windows future.  In 2000 I ended up working freelance at this little boutique and was saddled with an Octane and it was just awful going so backwards, even though it was as upgraded as one could.  Except for vector and shading performance the shiny new PowerMac I bought that year felt faster.  

Guys drilling for oil, universities, etc. likely still used SGI after 1999 but only facilities locked into server class hardware for Flame and Inferno (or just still paying off workstations nobody wanted anymore) continued to burn money on SGI after the Turn of the Century.

4DWM, by then, could have had hot and cold running Jolt Cola and it wouldn't have mattered because the hardware was so not up to iterative compute intensive tasks any longer and there in the early days of OSX and the beginning of the buzzword for "cluster" computing they didn't have much leg to stand on in massively scalable computing either.  And at the end of the day, nothing that's ever been done to 4DWM makes it more attractive than IRIX 3.3 and I call your bluff on them really changing much of anything at all...here:

IRIX 4.0.1



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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #114 on: July 26, 2014, 06:36:54 AM »
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btw you could group win7, vista and windows xp together they are quite similar.

XP & Vista aren't similar, especially out of the box. Windows 7 & Vista maybe.
 
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M$ wanted to make features to sell new OS versions.

How else do you think they'd be able to sell new OS versions?
 
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They did not care to optimize because:
- RAM+CPU capabilities seemed go up automagically when they release slower than before SW.

The same has happened on Linux as well. People want newer flashier things & they need more CPU + RAM.
 
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- it was normal/ok to force people to buy a new computer in every few years

When developing Vista they saw was that computers were doubling in speed every 18 months and people were buying them because games were also doubling in their requirements every 18 months.
 
Optimising software costs a whole lot more money than not optimising it & Microsoft sell most of their OS licenses with new computers anyway. Vista was a terrible time for Microsoft, like Pentium 4 was for Intel.
 
However Windows 7 is better than Vista and Windows 8/8.1 are better than Windows 7.
 
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- support of hundred thousand expansions needed gigabyte of drivers (M$ plug and play wanted all of them on HDD, wether you need it or not)

Most people see that as a positive. I'd like to see how many people can cope with downloading the source of a driver for their network card, transferring it to a usb stick, copying it onto Linux, compiling it, re-linking the kernel.
 
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Maybe because XP lets them use their computer the way they've been using their computer for the last nineteen years and doesn't expect them to alter their entire workflow because Microsoft's design department isn't feeling appreciated enough?

You make it sound like a dependency issue. But I like the way you angrily try to blame other people by making stuff up. Maybe this reaction is triggered because you don't feel appreciated enough?
 

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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #115 on: July 26, 2014, 06:56:24 AM »
Has this thread turned to ugliest GUI of them all?
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #116 on: July 26, 2014, 08:02:06 PM »
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You make it sound like a dependency issue. But I like the way you angrily try to blame other people by making stuff up. Maybe this reaction is triggered because you don't feel appreciated enough?
I make it sound like a giant freaking hassle, which it is. But I like the way you try to play armchair psychoanalyst and invent more complicated reasons for people being frustrated at Win8 than simply "they just want to actually get stuff done the way they've been getting stuff done for the last nineteen years."
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #117 on: July 26, 2014, 08:16:02 PM »
MorphOS/Haiku
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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #118 on: July 26, 2014, 08:58:56 PM »
Honestly thought there would be more screenshot pics in this thread.. :).

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Re: Most beautiful GUI (OS 4, Windows 8, ...)?
« Reply #119 on: July 26, 2014, 09:19:47 PM »
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Honestly thought there would be more screenshot pics in this thread.. :).

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I did, but it seems pointless as we've now seen Solaris attacked as "ugly as sin".
Funny, I thought that was most Linux themes (or MacOS).
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