Opinions / Info - AmigaOS 4.x Systems

[takemehomegrandma]

it would be good if driver could be shared with MOS and AROS community - many things are backports from their communities nowadays and it will be badly needed once MOS starts supporting SAM460ex.

I obviously don't speak for the MorphOS team, but to me it seems like the MorphOS team believes that providing HW support, API's and drivers for applications to use, is one of the core functions of an Operating System, and they mostly (with a few exceptions) wants to develop their own drivers, especially the GFX drivers. If/when MorphOS will support the Sam 460, I expect GFX drivers to be there, as they are part of the package, one of the things defining the word "support" when talking about an OS supporting HW. I guess we'll know in due time...

[vox]

I obviously don't speak for the MorphOS team, but to me it seems like the MorphOS team believes that providing HW support, API's and drivers for applications to use, is one of the core functions of an Operating System, and they mostly (with a few exceptions) wants to develop their own drivers, especially the GFX drivers. If/when MorphOS will support the Sam 460, I expect GFX drivers to be there, as they are part of the package, one of the things defining the word "support" when talking about an OS supporting HW. I guess we'll know in due time...

OK that is one way to look at it, but may be a longer route. We just witness that some crucial AmigaOS 4 functionality like MUI4 and HTML5 browser come by outsourcing it from MOS.

Waiting for that time.

P.S.
What I like with the Free and Open Source is exactly that - no need to duplicate things. Thus, we are not DEVELOPING Office for OS4, we are just PORTING Libre office, same goes for Timberwolf and even Gallium, or CUPS.

[Iggy]

I obviously don't speak for the MorphOS team, but to me it seems like the MorphOS team believes that providing HW support, API's and drivers for applications to use, is one of the core functions of an Operating System, and they mostly (with a few exceptions) wants to develop their own drivers, especially the GFX drivers. If/when MorphOS will support the Sam 460, I expect GFX drivers to be there, as they are part of the package, one of the things defining the word "support" when talking about an OS supporting HW. I guess we'll know in due time...

in due time...I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
That's one of the advantages in not talking about ongoing developments.
But with a history of going farther than anticipated, I expect some great things to be released.

[yssing]

Yeah OP asked for some advice on amiga os, and it turns in to yet an other amiga os bashing.
Don't you guys have any thing better to do with your time?

[fishy_fiz]

@Vox.

Sediously?
In the very same post you've claimed OS4 stuff like OS4 developments like html5 and OWB are ported not developed in a negative way, yet the stuff you claim as a positive for MOS is also largely "ported, not developed".
Do you even think before you type these days?
Also, what exactly do you think porting means? It often, ironically, requires quite some development to port software.

[itix]

@fishy_fiz

WebKit is ported (and many other libraries) but the browser is developed on MorphOS.

[fishy_fiz]

Yeah I realise that and fab has created a nice browser, and to be honest I misread the post I responded to a little.
The idea however wasnt to belittle fab's work, but rather to question the, "goose, not gander" mentality.

The porting/development distinction was me dismissing the idea that porting things doesnt require actual development (especially larger software lacking any sort of exec/intuition/etc codepaths/support). In fact its probably easier at times to borrow code for "original" software than to port existing software. Not that I have to tell you this Im sure. Merely for the sake of clarification.

[amoskodare]

So, getting back to topic...

Not bothered about having a new board? Peg2 - best all-rounder, most stable G4 board, has altivec.
Just to test compatibillity/play around with as a curiosity? Sam440
As an AmigaOS4.x main machine at a reasonable** price? Sam460
As a dual-booting useful Linux workstation capable of doing some real number crunching/high memory applications, which also runs AmigaOS4.x? X1000

This is a pretty good summary/overview

[Iggy]

Yeah I realise that and fab has created a nice browser, and to be honest I misread the post I responded to a little.
The idea however wasnt to belittle fab's work, but rather to question the, "goose, not gander" mentality.

The porting/development distinction was me dismissing the idea that porting things doesnt require actual development (especially larger software lacking any sort of exec/intuition/etc codepaths/support). In fact its probably easier at times to borrow code for "original" software than to port existing software. Not that I have to tell you this Im sure. Merely for the sake of clarification.

Yet another testy entry into this thread. :roflmao:

And it still comes down to "buy a SAM460 or a PegII".

Oh well, melodrama is our forte.

Popcorn anyone?

[Iggy]

@fishy_fiz

WebKit is ported (and many other libraries) but the browser is developed on MorphOS.

Anyone ever use a straight port of Webkit?
I've tried it on my Mac and its dreadful.
Odyssey is definitely more than just Webkit.

[Boot_WB]

Well, they've pretty much all been covered already. Using a HW video decoder (Radeon HD cards have one) would be the best solution, but it's a huge job. Another option would be waiting for Gallium3D to be available, and updating video players to use custom shaders. Next is textured video, which uses the GPU to render YUV bitmaps straight to screen. It essentially does the same job as the Gallium3D option, but is easier to use (no need to set up custom OpenGL shaders). Finally, while Radeon HD cards don't have overlay hardware, it could probably be emulated. However, that would be more complicated than textured video, and be far less flexible.



Full screen too, although the video might not completely fill the screen. In the case of a 720p video, it matches a 1280x720 screen perfectly, so it does completely fill the screen.

Hans

Thanks for the summary Hans.