Learn about love of OS4 users

[wawrzon]

Any chance of booting vox from the forum and cleaning all the shyte threads and posts? If anyone came here to see what Amiga is all about, they would run screaming for the hills.

on the contrary. this threads should be made sticky to warn newcomers about the state of the "community" and make them aware, what "amiga" dedication can do to them.

[som99]

I think Vox should switch to MOS as it's cheaper and more functional. If it were me i would tower a MacMini using the x1000 case (i forget the name of the company that makes them). I'm thinking about doing it myself.

Fractal Design (Swedish company), the Define R series are great cases, tho I wouldn't pay all that extra for the custom front.

[vox]

New Years is over, take off the tinfoil party hat.
I find the OS4 community warm and welcoming, and I can say the same for the MOS guys.  I've seen both not take warmly to rambling lunatics in the past, and it's likely not the last time.
  I'm sure it'll be something amusing and wacky in its own right, like how you'll destroy "da bad men whu sell da MOS tell lies dat it do HD youtube, bwai"

You must be mad.

[WolfToTheMoon]

VOX, you should probably move away from the entire NG Amiga scene and find yourself a nice classic system, and use Linux for modern needs. As I see it, no NG Amiga will ever fulfil your needs.

[Duce]

I'm not the one that bought a machine outside my budget, one that 3 minutes of investigation on said machine, well - one would have known certain onboard features were not natively supported.

I did my homework on the X1000 and couldn't warrant spending $3000 on a machine I'd have to tack add on cards onto if I wanted full functionality.  It took 3 minutes of web surfing to discover that fact and I kept my 440, which I'm still entirely happy with.  Was a lot easier to do that 3 minutes of web surfing than it was to mount some sort of insane witch hunt after I'd bought a machine that was possibly beyond my means, I figured.  But whatever floats ones boat, no harm no foul.  The X1000 simply wasn't, and still isn't - worth it to me.  That being said, it doesn't make it a bad machine, it just makes it a machine that's not worth the bang it offers for the bucks of mine that they are asking for it.

I am curious to see what particular issues you'll nitpick about with MOS when you finally get the MOS machine, is all.  There will be one, and there *will* be another one of your patented "Great Satan" 3 week rants where your defense of your "truths" as you see them are nothing more than more links to some oddball reggae video that apparently should make sense to people.  Hyperion bad!  Threaten to sue because you didn't fact check, and when that causes great hilarity, crack out the I and I, Jah routine and reggae videos.  Weird stuff, Man - all I'm saying.

This being said, I wish you the best of luck finding a machine you are 110% happy with.  I bought my 440 in 2008 or so, and despite the fact it is a little slow by todays standards, I still enjoy it and OS4 a great deal, just like I enjoy my MOS machines.

[OlafS3]

graves of the 80'ies and now divided we stand..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re2k0vx44j4
all darkthrone titles seem somehow fitting i cant help it. Sorry. That happens when someone posts too many reggae links.

lol

[cicero790]

Amiga.org was the first forum I posted on. I got swept away by the drama and wrote a lot of nonsense and even thought it mattered sometimes. Now I have had an Amiga sized break from Amiga. Did a forum lurk during the holidays and found out that it was business as usual. I kept the account here if I unbox the Amigas again, since there are so many great and knowledgeable people here to ask for advice.

Happy 2014

[A6000]

Why is everyone attacking Vox when he is only complaining about a machine that "is not fit for purpose", in Britain it is illegal to sell goods that are not fit for purpose, by attacking Vox you are saying "we do not care about the quality of goods offered to the Amiga community" and therefore you cannot complain if other products are offered in a similarly unfinished state.
You will get the products you deserve.

[OlafS3]

Why is everyone attacking Vox when he is only complaining about a machine that "is not fit for purpose", in Britain it is illegal to sell goods that are not fit for purpose, by attacking Vox you are saying "we do not care about the quality of goods offered to the Amiga community" and therefore you cannot complain if other products are offered in a similarly unfinished state.
You will get the products you deserve.

If you are selling a car that does not drive or a TV-Set that cannot show something than it is of course illegal. But his X1000 booted and worked, just that his expectations were higher. Partly drivers for onboard hardware missing so "solved" by using additional hardware. All known (even if you are not a AmigaOS fan) just by reading forums. And much too expensive of course and 4.2. propably far away. But all known to everyone.

So it is computer that is booting and running software. In this sense it "fits the purpose". No law can stop you wasting money on overprized goods if you insist on it.

[vox]

VOX, you should probably move away from the entire NG Amiga scene and find yourself a nice classic system, and use Linux for modern needs. As I see it, no NG Amiga will ever fulfil your needs.

Its NOt about hardware or software but how people behave and how worthy is their word.

I do use Linux.

[vox]

Why is everyone attacking Vox when he is only complaining about a machine that "is not fit for purpose", in Britain it is illegal to sell goods that are not fit for purpose, by attacking Vox you are saying "we do not care about the quality of goods offered to the Amiga community" and therefore you cannot complain if other products are offered in a similarly unfinished state.
You will get the products you deserve.

And according to EU laws they are even in deeper probs - no money back guarantee, only 1 year guarantee on hardware, no real promise of OS 4.2 and beta OS. That is by far far incomplete product.

Problem wasn`t in my knowledge by in AmigaKit services, in Hyperions stance that they do not need to take any haste on TW4, ethernet etc. and Trevors idea that everything is OK. Bug time down turner. They all focus on X2000 now, and they simply never finish things, so I have lost all trust in them, especially after Amiwest 2013. :uzi:

[Rob]

And according to EU laws they are even in deeper probs - no money back guarantee, only 1 year guarantee on hardware, no real promise of OS 4.2 and beta OS. That is by far far incomplete product.

Problem wasn`t in my knowledge by in AmigaKit services, in Hyperions stance that they do not need to take any haste on TW4, ethernet etc. and Trevors idea that everything is OK. Bug time down turner. They all focus on X2000 now, and they simply never finish things, so I have lost all trust in them, especially after Amiwest 2013. :uzi:

It was explained to you that a warranty covers any manufacturing defect that causes failure or malfunction and that you have reported no such problem.

I don't know why you take issue with TW either since it's a third party project that just happened to be done by the Friedens.  Why ethernet too, you got a perfectly fine PCI NIC.

How do you know that all effort is focussed on Cyrus now?

[OlafS3]

I think that too (that they are more concentrating on Cyrrus than on update for the existing users) because they can there sell more (or propably more easily) new licenses for Cyrrus based on Update 6 than finishing 4.2. first (with adding Gallium/SMP what propably is a lot more difficult to add than writing some drivers for a new hardware). I think I can remember Solie somewhere (I believe Q&A session) mentioning Update 7.

But even if... noone guaranteed SMP and Gallium, propably not even 4.2. update. Perhaps a X1000 owner can correct me there and say if it is mentioned somewhere in the contract. If not it is not in and Vox has no chance when he goes to court because of it.

[WolfToTheMoon]

. If not it is not in and Vox has no chance when he goes to court because of it.

He has no chance because it would be prohibitively expensive for him to go to court in the UK, or anywhere else in the EU.

[vox]

It was explained to you that a warranty covers any manufacturing defect that causes failure or malfunction and that you have reported no such problem.

I don't know why you take issue with TW either since it's a third party project that just happened to be done by the Friedens.  Why ethernet too, you got a perfectly fine PCI NIC.

How do you know that all effort is focussed on Cyrus now?

There is a serious defect. RAM modules are glued in such a way it cannot be expanded (not right)

[vox]

He has no chance because it would be prohibitively expensive for him to go to court in the UK, or anywhere else in the EU.

Not as expensive as X1000 and likely to win. :destroy: