How would you rate support to AmigaOS 4 in support forum

[Iggy]

@Lionheart, so what do you prefer then?
Old and expensive 68k hw? old Macs? or x86?

Not to mention, I don't think McBill makes a cent off it.

Oh, and VOX's reggae post, yeah he continued that at MorphZone.

[Lionheart]

@Lionheart, so what do you prefer then?
Old and expensive 68k hw? old Macs? or x86?

It doesn't really matter if I prefer 68k, x86, or PowerPC when Hyperion can't even fully support the very limited amount of hardware Amiga OS4 can run on.  But hypothetically if I had to chose a platform and driver development wasn't an issue, I would at least port it over to ARM.

The price/performance ratio for ARM is much better than it is for PowerPC.  It would allow smaller and cheaper systems to be built, which is what Amiga needs since most people will be running it alongside their PC anyway.  The last I heard the PA6T-1682M was costing the manufacturer between $550-$615, which is ridiculous.  

For the price of the X1000 you get one user, but you could spend the same amount spent manufacturing the X1000 and make more than 7 ARM powered computers and get 7+ users.  More users = increased interest in software development.  Think about it.  Would you rather develop software for a system with 100,000+ users or for a system most people can't afford.

The X1000 may sound good on paper but what good is it if the operating system it's licensed to run doesn't even fully support it?  You're paying extra for stuff you're not using.  Given that, an ARM processor is more than capable of running Amiga OS4 as well it runs on PowerPC if it is supported.

[antikk]

Always nice to hear from an expert. What do you put the little use of old os3.1 sources?
And what hw have you tried?

OS4 is garbage.  It's around $150 by itself, which is usually included in the price of the expensive hardware it needs to run off of but for some weird reason can't fully support.  Also, Hyperion's OS4 benefits Amiga, Inc and their corrupt conservative con-man CEO Bill McEwwen through their licensing agreement and because it uses what little there was to use of the old Amiga OS 3.x source code.

[AmigaBruno]

I don't care, because I have nothing I can run it on!

I recently read some details of how it might be possible to run AmigaOS 4 (not 4.1) on a Mac Mini G4 or G5 and possibly Macs with similar specs as well. This involved a loader called Moana. I already knew that UBoot could be set up to check for specific hardware, so this is what prevents AmigaOS 4.1 from running on other Power PC computers.

Can anyone tell me the cheapest way of running AmigaOS 4?

I'm not actually sure I would want to run it, because what would I do with it?

Now I'm just off to do create some graphics with Photon Paint 2, play Eye of the Beholder, and balance my budget with Personal Finance Manager. I will enjoy doing all these activities. Can anyone list some software which does similar things, but only runs on AmigaOS 4 or 4.1?

[Lionheart]

Always nice to hear from an expert. What do you put the little use of old os3.1 sources?
And what hw have you tried?

OS 3.1 was released in 1994, back when the Amiga was still running on 68k hardware.  While Hyperion didn't have to waste time cloning and reverse engineering everything, some of that code is 68k assembly and couldn't be used.  Even with it Haage & Partner and Hyperion still had to use source code  from AROS to build 3.5, 3.9, and 4.x.

[wawrzon]

nevermind..

[amoskodare]

@Lionheart

Hi Vox

Haha, nice sockpuppet you have there ...

[Lionheart]

@Lionheart

Hi Vox

Haha, nice sockpuppet you have there ...

O_o ...?  My name isn't Vox and I'm certainly no sockpuppet, so I have no idea why you're directing your comment towards me.

[amoskodare]

O_o ...?  My name isn't Vox and I'm certainly no sockpuppet, so I have no idea why you're directing your comment towards me.

Of course you don't ...

[Iggy]

Of course you don't ...

VOX posted earlier.
AND he doesn't sound like VOX.

[Lionheart]

Of course you don't ...

Sorry to disappoint you pal but I'm not Vox (whoever the hell that is).  Seems to me that you're in denial about how poorly done Amiga OS4 is that you've convinced yourself that I must be another registered member rather than a new member of this forum.  Given how bad OS4 is I guess having a new member is something that is new for you.

[amoskodare]

@Lionheart

LOL, that flamebait doesn't work on me pal, please try little harder

Sorry to disappoint you pal but I'm not Vox (whoever the hell that is).  Seems to me that you're in denial about how poorly done Amiga OS4 is that you've convinced yourself that I must be another registered member rather than a new member of this forum.  Given how bad OS4 is I guess having a new member is something that is new for you.

In denial... Like you were?

[yssing]

It doesn't really matter if I prefer 68k, x86, or PowerPC when Hyperion can't even fully support the very limited amount of hardware Amiga OS4 can run on.  But hypothetically if I had to chose a platform and driver development wasn't an issue, I would at least port it over to ARM.

Well then you are in luck, because you can just use AROS in the Pi.

And I would like to know, why you think that AmigaOS is so bad.

[Duce]

Many people quite enjoy OS4, Lionheart.  If you do not, no one is twisting your arm to buy the hardware and OS.  MOS is a far more cost effective way into the NG Amiga scene, and I enjoy MOS as well as I do OS4.  I fail to see where the constant bad mouthing of the various NG Amiga platforms gets anyone.  The "scene" is already small and separated enough without dividing things further.  I'm a paid in full user of both OS4 and MOS, and neither is perfect by a long shot.

If you really want to pick nits about an OS lacking support for things, I picked up a Mac laptop awhile back to run MOS on, only to find out when the supporting version of MOS did finally get released, the onboard wifi was not at all supported.  Don't think it is, even now - thankfully I didn't register MOS on that machine, not yet anyways.  A laptop without inbuilt wifi support at the OS level effectively made this laptop a paperweight for me, and adding an add on wifi dongle or card defeats the purpose when it knocks your battery life in half - battery life that's already very poor compared to running OSX on the machine.  A laptop without native wifi support by the OS, forcing a user to add on a power sucking card or dongle or forcing them to plug into an ethernet cable pretty much nulled out the idea of owning an "Amiga laptop" to me, so how's about we don't pull the "OMG NO SUPPORT FOR XXX THING IN XXX OPERATING SYSTEM" gag, cause there's issues on *all* sides.

The old "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" saying holds very true in this case regardless of entirely destructive and degenerating to the scene blue vs. red camp warfare nonsense.

[spirantho]

I've never understood the need to bash OS4 by people who don't use it.... but all it does is drive a thicker wedge between groups of Amiga users.

AmigaOS 4's existence does not suddenly mean that 68K Amigas stop working - it's quite possible to completely ignore it if you don't like it.

Not entirely sure where the idea that "AmigaOS 4 is so bad" came from anyway... must have been using a different OS4 to me, as mine is pretty awesome really.

[Duce]

The whole thread came about, once again - by the OP, who admittedly went into personal debt to buy an X1000 and OS4 without doing his homework about what is or is not supported onboard by the hardware by the OS.  He then went on a tangent about how he was going to sue Hyperion and A-EON because he didn't do any fact checking.

After he got laughed out of the building on that, he became an ardent MOS supporter and was buying a SAM 460.  He proceeded to go to Morph Zone with tinfoil hat on head and pretty much alienated himself there as well.

When anyone points out flaws and insanity in his logic, he whips out the "I AM A LEARNED AND JUST MAN DUE TO JAH AND REGGAE!" and posts links to some reggae video that for whatever reason to him seem to explain away the fact he went into hock buying an expensive computer without checking what it could or could not do.  Pretty much the gist of it, and it makes the old Doomy antics seem sane, lol.

And I agree, the factional nonsense is what's hammering the nails into the coffin of what is already a very skint amount of collective users in the Amiga scene.  It's mutually assured destruction and has caused people to retract from the community, if not the hobby itself.

Then again, maybe I'm being too logical.  If something is too costly, or doesn't do something that I require, I simply don't purchase it and refrain from polluting the scene as a whole if I can avoid doing so.  Personal choice is a truly wonderful thing, and there's enough options in this day and age to have everyone covered regardless of what they prefer.