Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems

[vox]

Indeed, the discussion starts at 18m55s.



Had they called it "PS3" you can bet your left hand that some PS3 enthusiasts would have been upset, because it's not a Playstation 3 (and Sony would come after them of course, since this is an unregistered trademark they use, but that's not my point). Or if a new car manufacturer that's going to produce a brand new car model would market it under an abandoned (but well known) model name from another, dead, manufacturer, despite the model has nothing at all to do with that old one, then you can bet your right hand that there will be an angry bunch of veteran car enthusiasts who are devoted to that *real* model, since it has nothing to do with the cars they are interested in, and it only causes confusion. Or if the MorphOS team would rename their OS to "AOS 5" ("AOS" not meaning *anything* here of course, especially not anything close to "Amiga"), you don't think people would be upset?
So cut down on the insults, don't play stupid and and don't tell me you can't see the controversy here. Maybe you don't care, but I can assure you I'm not the only one who does.

+1 on everything and all you wrote!

It's a de-facto naming convention; *all* real Amiga models can be shortened with an "A"+model number. Everyone does this, all the time, and everyone understands.

:pissed:

Me and THM on agreement? Well, I disliked that policy with C=USA so I play fair and vote for NAME AND NUMBERS RESERVATIONS AND NOT MARKETING,

Its next line to AmigaOne x1000

Logically should be AmigaOne x2000 or 2020/2040
or X2000 and X4000

[Kesa]

The most convenient numbering scheme i can think of would be to use the year it is released in. For example "X2013" or "A2013" if released this year. But this would work best if they only released a single product.

[klx300r]

@ grandma

I hope the MorphOS team could find a deal with A-Eon to use these new boards for new MorphOS system! especially as A-Eon has stated they will be selling single boards now.

It'll be cool to see the different case designs with the Blue butterfly:drink:

[vox]

@ grandma

I hope the MorphOS team could find a deal with A-Eon to use these new boards for new MorphOS system! especially as A-Eon has stated they will be selling single boards now.

It'll be cool to see the different case designs with the Blue butterfly:drink:

I hope they will finally do X1000 port, once those G5 Macs go out of market :-) Yes, it is slower then G5, but nice enough for MOS

[kickstart]

Yes, the use of amiga on "amigaone" or this new surnames like "a2000" are an insult to the real amigas.

[TCMSLP]

Personally I would recommend A-Eon stick to the X number scheme.  X3000, X5020, whatever.   This clearly differentiates classic and new-gen models.  In Trevor's speech he said he originally intended to use (for example) AX3000 but "AmigaOne AX3000" was a bit of a mouthful.  In my opinion AX or X would be preferable;  people don't usually say "AmigaOne" anyway.

[psxphill]

In my opinion AX or X would be preferable; people don't usually say "AmigaOne" anyway.

AmigaOne is pretty stupid. But in keeping they should call the new machines "PointOne"
 
So it would be called AmigaOne PointOne. The different variations can be handled with a slash.
 
AmigaOne PointOne/P5020
 
When a new motherboard is created it will become a PointTwo.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ grandma

I hope the MorphOS team could find a deal with A-Eon to use these new boards for new MorphOS system! especially as A-Eon has stated they will be selling single boards now.

It'll be cool to see the different case designs with the Blue butterfly:drink:

How is it now, is A-eon still stained by Ben Hermans/Hyperion? This is otherwise a known show stopper. Other than that, I think it comes down to viability; like a reasonable and realistic price and what level of usability you get for the money, longevity, etc. The X1000 was a catastrophe in this regard, sheer madness, and I think it was a good decision to not support it (even disregarding Ben Hermans issues). Much remains to be seen regarding these new "A3000" (:insane:) etc machines. And another thing that may affect a decision is how the MorphOS team looks at the future and viability of PPC in general, like how much efforts should really be spent on new HW based on this architecture vs. introducing something new. Several MorphOS team members has talked about a future MorphOS platform migration, several years ago even.

[takemehomegrandma]

Personally I would recommend A-Eon stick to the X number scheme.  X3000, X5020, whatever.  

+1

Or simply call it something readable/meaningful to human beings, some kind of word, an adjective, a noun, or whatever.

[woof]

>Or simply call it something readable/meaningful to human beings, some kind of word, an adjective, a noun, or whatever.

Call it "Querida" or "Amada" to keep an Amiga spanish theme ;-P

Alain Thellier

[nicholas]

How is it now, is A-eon still stained by Ben Hermans/Hyperion? This is otherwise a known show stopper. Other than that, I think it comes down to viability; like a reasonable and realistic price and what level of usability you get for the money, longevity, etc. The X1000 was a catastrophe in this regard, sheer madness, and I think it was a good decision to not support it (even disregarding Ben Hermans issues). Much remains to be seen regarding these new "A3000" (:insane:) etc machines. And another thing that may affect a decision is how the MorphOS team looks at the future and viability of PPC in general, like how much efforts should really be spent on new HW based on this architecture vs. introducing something new. Several MorphOS team members has talked about a future MorphOS platform migration, several years ago even.

Frank recently posted on MZ that he thinks it is a waste of time to add anymore machines to the list of supported hardware as there are now plenty of models supported with something available for everyone at differing levels of price, performance and features.

I tend to agree, concentrating on improving MorphOS features should be the main focus of manpower now before any architecture shift is even planned.

It's aleady the best AmigaOS by far, but think how much better it will be when the team are not bogged down with porting it to new hardware.

[nicholas]

>Or simply call it something readable/meaningful to human beings, some kind of word, an adjective, a noun, or whatever.

Call it "Querida" or "Amada" to keep an Amiga spanish theme ;-P

Alain Thellier

Furcia Four-thousand sounds apt.

[Crumb]

Furcia Four-thousand sounds apt.

Zorra Four-Thousand too and reminds us about the all-mighty Zorro slots ;-)

Now seriously, using the "A"+500/600/1000/1500/2000/2500/3000/3500/4000 just adds confusion... people interested on a new machine will google using that names and find links about an old machine and think "bah! fossil hardware". Bad marketing idea, just like releasing right now a machine named "AppleOne II"

[nicholas]

Zorra Four-Thousand too and reminds us about the all-mighty Zorro slots ;-)

Now seriously, using the "A"+500/600/1000/1500/2000/2500/3000/3500/4000 just adds confusion... people interested on a new machine will google using that names and find links about an old machine and think "bah! fossil hardware". Bad marketing idea, just like releasing right now a machine named "AppleOne II"

Must resist smutty comment about floppies in zorra slots.

[QuikSanz]

Good Day,

In hind sight I would have done it this way. 1St digit = number of cores, 2nd digit = Altivec, 3rd and 4th digit = clock. So for example my A1XE 1Ghz would have been an X1110,
1=core ,altivec 1=yes, 10=1Ghz. The X1000 would have been X2118.

Too late, the 440 and 430 would have been a 500 and 1000 series.

Chris

[takemehomegrandma]

@Derf, etc...

You know, it's a good thing that not everyone has your mindset (very few actually), and that everyone is actually able to raise and discuss any issue at free will. It turns out that quite a few people agrees that the "A" naming scheme is a really bad idea, like I *knew* people would, and many have sent e-mails to A-eon about this. This obviously opened their eyes to such a degree, that now when the actual voting starts, they have gone from four voting options to *twelve*, of which only the first four is "A" options (and a few rather strange "AX" options for some reason). Other than those, there are "X" (the most logical one), "P" (the second most logical one, at least if followed by CPU model number), and "Q". Don't really understand that last one, but maybe that's just me.

Anyway, here are the options:

http://a-eon.com/18-10-2013-6.pdf

From discussions in this thread and elsewhere, I suppose the voting will result in them keeping the "X" naming scheme (which is a good idea IMHO), alternatively "P".

If not going with the "X" like in Option 12 for example, then the best option IMHO would be an "Option 13", meaning Option 12 but "P" instead of "X". That would simply be the CPU model names:

• P3041 (I have no idea about the logic behind the "3500" that is in several of the options instead of 3041)
• P5020
• P5040