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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #134 from previous page: February 14, 2015, 06:18:02 PM »
Sorry to hear you are not having the same luck I am. I hope it inspires you to continue testing and possibly modifying one of these boxes to work natively.

I checked on another source for a well constructed RGB to SCART cable but the minimum cable length offered is 2m. That's a lot of unnecessary cable for my setup. I suppose I could build my own but not really wanting to take on too many projects at the moment.
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #135 on: February 14, 2015, 09:35:31 PM »
Where did your current cable come from? How is it wired?
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #136 on: February 15, 2015, 01:10:02 AM »
AmigaKit. How is it wired?? That, I would not know. R,B, & G are definitely passing it through it. What happens with regard to sync.......your guess is as good as mine.  :)

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #137 on: February 15, 2015, 06:24:06 AM »
Ian Steadman's schematic has a 330 ohm resistor on the Csync with the RGB going straight thru
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #138 on: February 15, 2015, 08:00:37 AM »
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Ian Steadman's schematic has a 330 ohm resistor on the Csync with the RGB going straight thru


His latest version had 220uF caps on each of the RGB lines Iirc.
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #139 on: February 15, 2015, 08:40:55 AM »
I'm beginning to think that these issues actually have nothing to do with bi/tri level sync, but are rather the Amiga/Segas 15khz refresh rate rearing its ugly head again....

This TV has no issue with the scart to component adapter when connected to the RGB output of a Nintendo Gamecube....

It makes me wonder if the monochrome output of the Amiga 500 is actually 31Khz... or at least higher than 15khz...

I was reading that apparently it was intended for word processing on a monochrome screen, and apparently had less flicker in interlaced mode than the RGB output of the Amiga.....

Its all starting to make sense now isn't it?
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #140 on: February 15, 2015, 09:08:04 AM »
I have a Dell 2405fpw that I figured would fail with the scart to component adapter... but it doesn't...

Although there's some jitter, it displays both the Megadrive and Master Systems fine, so I assume will also display the Amiga...

It reports the signal as being 240p or 288p depending if its 60Hz or 50Hz...
 

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« Reply #141 on: February 15, 2015, 10:28:54 AM »
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His latest version had 220uF caps on each of the RGB lines Iirc.


Oh, you mean the schematic that says, "Provisional design for trial use only?"
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #142 on: February 15, 2015, 10:37:34 AM »
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Oh, you mean the schematic that says, "Provisional design for trial use only?"


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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #143 on: February 15, 2015, 10:51:14 AM »
Sony TV reports the sega as 480i...

The tv's I've had issues with are Kogan, and they seem to be horrible... they don't even display composite properly...
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #144 on: February 17, 2015, 09:13:34 AM »
Both the Megadrive and Master system are outputting 15.6Khz horizontal, 49.7Hz vertical sync...

The plug in Tetris game, that will sync when connected to the "green" component outputs 15.6Khz, and 50Hz....

So, that answered nothing at all!

I'm about to test the Amiga 500's monochrome output, but have a feeling its going to be the same 15.6Khz and answer nothing!

Edit: Amiga 500, 15.6Khz/49.9Hz...
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #145 on: February 17, 2015, 09:19:08 AM »
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #146 on: February 17, 2015, 10:34:57 AM »
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I love my new Framemeister!


And I love my Sony PVM14M4A Trinitron monitor. :D
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #147 on: February 21, 2015, 02:50:33 AM »
Today I made a discovery...

This time a Super Nintendo!

The internet told me I needed to connect each of the R,G,B lines to ground, through 75 ohm resistors, but I decided to leave them out, and see what would happen...

TV reports "Not Supported" and this was a TV that had worked with everything before... (Amiga, MegaDrive, Master System, N64, Gamecube)

Stick the resistors in, works fine! SO I'm thinking the issue with the Kogan TV isn't a sync issue at all....
 

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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #148 on: February 24, 2015, 02:45:47 AM »
(Activate Farnsworth voice)

Good neeeewwwwsss everyone!!!

As a matter of curiosity and because I was never really satisfied with my original cable I bought, I sought out a better RGB to SCART cable. I really liked the build quality I saw here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Commodore-Amiga-A1200-All-Models-High-Quality-RGB-Scart-Lead-Cable-TV-Lead-/251044312902?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3a73683746

So I made my purchase. The cable arrived today and, as expected, it worked just fine with the redirected cable arrangement. So,  just for sh*ts and giggles, I thought I would try it with all three cables connected to the converter....and guess what? It works!

So that either means my AmigaKit cable is not wired correctly or it is just wired to different standards. Can I make the case that it is *wrong* and I should ask for a return/exchange based on this new discovery? The wiring of these cables seems to vary from person to person, so who I am to say something is wrong? Is there a standard?
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Re: Converting TV signal from Amiga to HDMI?
« Reply #149 on: February 24, 2015, 02:49:43 AM »
Good work, Im gonna buy one and try it on my TV that doesnt currently like converted Amiga-RGB to Component. :)

PS, I have their C64 video cables and they are great.
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