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Quote from: nicholas;745346
It's about pollution.

Who is the ultimate judge on what constitutes "pollution"?  Who sets the bar as to purity?  Sort of subjective upon whoever is looking at things, no?

I've got very little interest in legacy Amiga stuff these days.  If someone was to post legacy machine info on a NG Amiga site I visit, would I be offended and call it "pollution"?  No.  I likely wouldn't read it if it held none of my interest and leave it at that.  Such a case would be loosely related to what I am interested in, but really offer me nothing, so I simply would skip over it just like I do the sports page in the morning newspaper.  Not my cup of tea, but certainly not "pollution" if someone gets value out of it even if I do not.

I know that sports section is there everyday in my newspaper, and that someone surely enjoys it even if I do not, and that's it's ultimately my choice to disregard it.  I don't lose sleep over that sports section, you know?

Whatever happened to people having the personal free will to just read what is interesting to them and ignore what they do not like, or what they are not interested in.
 

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I agree with others. Lets not pollute BBOAH with NG Amiga stuff. If it can execute 68k code natively then it should be added. That is where I would draw the line.

NG stuff running AROS/OS4/MorphOS could have a dedicated site instead.
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Thanks, didn`t know there is AROS for Android

You are welcome to send an entry if you desire so. However, if I am correct, these are running AROS as VM, not natively, but nevermind.


No not running in a VM but running hosted on top of the Linux kernel like MorphOS runs hosted on the Quark Kernel.
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Who is the ultimate judge on what constitutes "pollution"?  Who sets the bar as to purity?  Sort of subjective upon whoever is looking at things, no?

I've got very little interest in legacy Amiga stuff these days.  If someone was to post legacy machine info on a NG Amiga site I visit, would I be offended and call it "pollution"?  No.  I likely wouldn't read it if it held none of my interest and leave it at that.  Such a case would be loosely related to what I am interested in, but really offer me nothing, so I simply would skip over it just like I do the sports page in the morning newspaper.  Not my cup of tea, but certainly not "pollution" if someone gets value out of it even if I do not.

I know that sports section is there everyday in my newspaper, and that someone surely enjoys it even if I do not, and that's it's ultimately my choice to disregard it.  I don't lose sleep over that sports section, you know?

Whatever happened to people having the personal free will to just read what is interesting to them and ignore what they do not like, or what they are not interested in.


Because, as it's name clearly states, The Big Book of Amiga Hardware is a site dedicated solely to documenting Amiga hardware and nothing else.

You have already admitted yourself that OS4 and MorphOS machines are not Amigas, therefore they do not belong on that site. Simple as that.
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I agree with others. Lets not pollute BBOAH with NG Amiga stuff. If it can execute 68k code natively then it should be added. That is where I would draw the line.

NG stuff running AROS/OS4/MorphOS could have a dedicated site instead.


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I admitted it myself on my own beliefs and nothing more.  Ones definition of an Amiga may only be towards C= hardware and not AT or Escom, or any of the NG platforms.  I'd just like to see a single site with all native, amiga like hardware represented, old or new (not covering emulation hardware, obviously - a PC is still a PC and all, with or without UAE , AF or Amithlon).

That being said, the "Amiga" right beside me clearly says "Amiga OS" on the titlebar at the top of the Workbench screen.  It'll run pretty much any classic, legacy 68k software I try on it.  In that sense it is an Amiga, no?  

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I admitted it myself on my own beliefs and nothing more.  Ones definition of an Amiga may only be towards C= hardware and not AT or Escom.

That being said, the "Amiga" right beside me clearly says "Amiga OS" on the titlebar at the top of the Workbench screen.  It'll run pretty much any classic, legacy software I try on it.  In that sense it is an Amiga, no?

:)

Correct, no.

It's an industrial PPC motherboard designed for the embedded market running a clone of the Amiga Operating system that doesn't even have the legal right to use the word Amiga, just AmigaOS.

Look closer, does it say AmigaOS or Amiga OS? If the latter then someone ought to tell the legal owners of that trademark as I'm sure their lawyers would be very interested to know.
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Look closer, does it say AmigaOS or Amiga OS? If the latter then someone ought to tell the legal owners of that trademark as I'm sure their lawyers would be very interested to know.


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Yes add the X1000.. The description should include...

The X1000 costs more than the original Commodore custom chipset A1000. The X1000 system still a WIP with many features still not implemented. The X1000 manufacturer is more interested moving to next model rather than concentrating on getting the X1000 fully operational.
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these machines aren't amigas therefore they should not be on the bboah.


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Because, as it's name clearly states, The Big Book of Amiga Hardware is a site dedicated solely to documenting Amiga hardware and nothing else.

You have already admitted yourself that OS4 and MorphOS machines are not Amigas, therefore they do not belong on that site. Simple as that.

SUrely, Nyx and Boxer fully fall on that category.

How narrow minded people are.

On industry standards vs Commodore standards and 68k natively

And so do these boards run Amiga PPC/MorphOS PPC programs NATIVELY.

Walker  was first to feature ISA and PCI bus as Zorro replacement as standard  (promoted by Mediator) so moving from CBM standards was clear and real,  as much as Apple moved from Apple specific standards to industry  standards.

It features Nyx which is neither as well as Boxer that also has ISA/PCI and PowerPC.

ISA slots were even present on early Amiga 2000 and Amiga 3000, but usable only via
IBM PC emulation cards.

Amiga stanards were innovative up to Amiga 3000.

Why  leaving NG hardware out of picture, especially that BBOAH features nice  things like scanned commercials and manuals for the boards/systems?

On companies:

I do remember companies from that time, but things evolve.
All those companies left the market, and we were left with mentioned companies
(Eyetech, Genesi, Acube,A-EON)

They have designed hardware specifically for Amiga market that has no other uses
(can run Linux thanks to Linux versatility)

There is no such definition of BBOAH, and obviously no censorship of such kind, beside YOUR interpretation what belongs there.

Once again, website owner accepted to include mentioned boards as long as someone else makes the articles. Needed are people that have such hardware, time, nice camera and that can scan manuals and so on, not people claiming its heresy.

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NG stuff running AROS/OS4/MorphOS could have a dedicated site instead.        

New website would just make a duplicate, for what, just few boards that  are part of Amiga history and recognized as PPC continuation on both  Amiga Wiki pages and Amiga History models page.

Who would host such as OS4/MOS communities are divided,
and why not using existing resources? Because of peoples "Classic idolism"? Linkage to Amiga name?
Half Amiga models presented there bear no Amiga name.

Its not an "Alien infiltration" its showing what we use today, who developed it and that was progress after 1997.
Not preserving our own history, just makes it look like everything ended with CBM. Even those were glory days
there is more to it. Some people decide to stick to Classic only seeing it as "clone OSs" on "clone hardware"
but they fail to see custom home computers ended with Atari and CBM simply because its too expnsive
and non competitive. And yet the same people use same AHI and RTG to utilize cards with additional power,
difference only happened in moving to PowerPC  - that included Motorola and is de facto next generation replacement of 68k.

What a bunch of hypocrisy.
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Quote from: Megamig;745379
Yes add the X1000.. The description should include...

The X1000 costs more than the original Commodore custom chipset A1000. The X1000 system still a WIP with many features still not implemented. The X1000 manufacturer is more interested moving to next model rather than concentrating on getting the X1000 fully operational.

Website doesn`t include prices, and mentions just the Workbench and Kickstart versions supplied, which do exist for NG systems. Or we should also delete OS4 from Workbench nostalgia?
http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/

Hardware itself is fully fanctual and X2000 is generally just continuation of same line with newer and more avail hardware.

I am really glad you will not do contribs to BBOAH.
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Seriously? Are we having the "si not teh true amg1a!!!!1111oneoneone" argument again? Like it or not, the NG boards were designed and/or marketed to our community because they run Amiga OS (or something so f***ing similar that there's no appreciable difference). I'm so sick of this pedantic "must have 68K", "must have OCS/ECS/AGA", "must have been blessed with silicon dust salvaged from the debris of MOS Technology" criteria.

The Macs that Apple sells today have exactly nothing in common with the 1984 Macintosh and people still accept them as Macs. Even before OSX, the Macs that Apple was selling had exactly nothing in common with the 1984 Macintosh and people still accepted them as Macs. Why must we be so petulant about the Amiga?

Just stick the PPC motherboards in an "NG Amiga" subsection - hell, even put a disclaimer on it - and be done with it. We don't need to fragment the distribution of information any further.

Guys: We've been having this fight for more than TEN YEARS. ENOUGH!
 

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Well put, Matt.
 

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Matt, that's more or less what I was trying to say too.

I will never understand the way the word Amiga is treated like a holy name that must not be defiled. For goodness' sake- it's just a computer. If CBM hadn't gone but then the Amiga would definitely not be using a 68k CPU or legacy chipset either.

Let's keep perspective on this, please. Putting in a section for AmigaOs or Amiga OS or MorphOS or AROS isn't going to make Baby $deity cry.... but it will help people looking for hardware to run WhateverOS and that's a good thing. If you don't want to read that section, don't click on that link; the quality of your life will not go down because of its existence.
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Re: Wanted: Volunteers to make OS4 and MOS hardware entries for Big Book of Amiga Har
« Reply #44 from previous page: August 20, 2013, 07:26:44 AM »
well in any case, it would be great to have a list of what hardware or chipsets are supported under the various amiga ng systems.