Amiga.org Electrified.

[Terminills]

It doesn't work like that - when you buy the car, you rent the batteries, not buy them. So they should get replaced by the manufacturer every few years I believe.

Not quite.  

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/06/20/nissan-leaf-battery-replacement-will-cost-100-month/

So at the expected 4-6 years it takes the battery to fall below the 70% capacity that puts the cost at $4800-$6000.   You can call it rent if you want but end of the day it's still an added cost.

Add that to the increased cost in electricity as the capacity falls.  Plus the decreased distance you can drive per charge.

[LoadWB]

Add that to the increased cost in electricity as the capacity falls.  Plus the decreased distance you can drive per charge.

Cost should not be a long-term consideration for anyone purchasing an EV vehicle.  Government's natural tendency is to spend.  When you reduce purchasing fuel, or stop out-right, you reduce the amount of taxes collected for "roads."  (Quotes because the money is hardly ever used strictly for roads, just like your social security tax is not actually kept in a trust account with your name on it.)  When that happens, electric rates will have to increase or, as in some states, EV drivers will pay an additional tax to register their vehicles or we'll all be imposed a mileage tax.

As another example, municipally-owned utilities which encourage extreme conservation* more often than not increase rates because the governing authority becomes starved of revenue.

* Conservation means to not waste, it does not mean to go without.  (Paraphrasing a quote I saw a while back.)

[nicholas]

Cost should not be a long-term consideration for anyone purchasing an EV vehicle.  Government's natural tendency is to spend.  When you reduce purchasing fuel, or stop out-right, you reduce the amount of taxes collected for "roads."  (Quotes because the money is hardly ever used strictly for roads, just like your social security tax is not actually kept in a trust account with your name on it.)  When that happens, electric rates will have to increase or, as in some states, EV drivers will pay an additional tax to register their vehicles or we'll all be imposed a mileage tax.

As another example, municipally-owned utilities which encourage extreme conservation* more often than not increase rates because the governing authority becomes starved of revenue.

* Conservation means to not waste, it does not mean to go without.  (Paraphrasing a quote I saw a while back.)

I take it you don't pay a separate Road Tax over there like in the UK?

[desiv]

Wow, what an active discussion..
Someone should consider a separate forum section for these Electric Car threads here on Amiga.org....

;-)

desiv

[LoadWB]

I take it you don't pay a separate Road Tax over there like in the UK?

No.  Roughly 1/3 of our price of gas is county, state, and federal taxes.  (Some localities are higher.)

[commodorejohn]

Wow, what an active discussion..
Someone should consider a separate forum section for these Electric Car threads here on Amiga.org....

Compare this to the quantity of CUSA discussion and then see if there was a subforum made for that ;P

[nicholas]

No.  Roughly 1/3 of our price of gas is county, state, and federal taxes.  (Some localities are higher.)

About 99.999999% of Petrol price in the UK is tax. lol

[LoadWB]

About 99.999999% of Petrol price in the UK is tax. lol

Yup!  I've heard that.  We fight like hell to keep our prices down, even where they are today, only to be denigrated and maligned for doing so.  Ah, well.

[nicholas]

Yup!  I've heard that.  We fight like hell to keep our prices down, even where they are today, only to be denigrated and maligned for doing so.  Ah, well.

As long as the Saudi puppets keep getting supplied with cheap coke and hookers your fuel will be cheap.

[desiv]

Compare this to the quantity of CUSA discussion and then see if there was a subforum made for that ;P

K, you got me there.. ;-)

desiv

[fishy_fiz]

I know it's off topic, but the general theme lead me to this train of thought,....

Here in Melbourne there's semi recently been new laws passed in regards to smoking in the CBD. While Ive not smoked for quite a while I find this highly offensive. I choose not to drive, but others are allowed if they decide to. Yet if I wanted to smoke a cigarette in the same area Im not allowed.

[LoadWB]

As long as the Saudi puppets keep getting supplied with cheap coke and hookers your fuel will be cheap.

Then I expect prices to go up, again, as we just took 79 minor hookers out of circulation.

[nicholas]

Then I expect prices to go up, again, as we just took 79 minor hookers out of circulation.

Those Saudi scumbags can't get enough, I'm sure whichever three letter acronym is responsible for keeping them supplied will find some more fresh meat for them.

[JimS]

I don't see the need for a specific section for electric car discussions here at Amiga.org. It makes sense that folk interested in Amiga might take an interest in other techy topics from time to time. You can't talk Amiga all the time, and the ideas of Amiga folks interest me more than some j.random.nerd. That's what the generic tech forums are for. Start a thread there...

Having said that... electric cars are premature. There's only one part in them that isn't mature tech... and that's the battery/power source. We've been building the mechanical parts of the car over 120 years. Electric motors are older than gas engines. When you have an electric that can recharge in 10 minutes for a 400mi range or doesn't need enough platinum in it's fuel cell to stock Tiffany's, then call me. ;-)