Amiga Technologies 4000T RTG/AGA/Ethernet/DVD/040/25

[danbeaver]

Yes, one may find "once in a blue moon" prices, but on the whole following the general trend on Amibay and eBay, the prices I gave are just what you will find. The average user won't just chuck his Amiga out in the street, and will reference the going prices on EAB, Amibay, eBay.uk, and here before putting up his stuff for sale. Some prices if listed as BIN are good enough for some of to pick them up as soon as we see them (the reason why I check those places about six times a day).  

[utri007]

Does Spectrum work on Zorro III mode? I would be very interested to know how it performs. I have one in Zorro II extender of A1200 and doom is limited to 14fps when AGA performs 33fps, with Quake I get 12 fps and AGA 16

[zipper]

With Cirrus  5426/5428 it's one of the slowest cards - but still faster at ZIII than ZII.

[utri007]

I know, but I have some doubtd that zorro III isn't that much faster. Though those fps numbers are not limited by bandwich or are they?

[royalcrown]

I know, but I have some doubtd that zorro III isn't that much faster. Though those fps numbers are not limited by bandwich or are they?

If I can get mine running, I can let you know, mine is in my 3000 so zorro 3, but it has a jumper to force zorro 2 on it. Should be easy to run benches with forced zorro 2 vs 3 (autodetect).

[matthey]

I know, but I have some doubtd that zorro III isn't that much faster. Though those fps numbers are not limited by bandwich or are they?

I bet your hunch is correct. I've seen a Spectrum in a 3000 and it seemed very slow compared to a Cybervision 64 or 64/3D in a 3000. Some of it could have been the drivers and it was a long time ago. The Spectrum is a big upgrade for a Zorro II Amiga 2000 with just ECS but is barely worthwhile for a fast AGA machine. I was surprised at how fast the Cybervision 64/3D was in a ZII 2000 P96 with 030 so unless the passthrough is absolutely needed and on a real budget I would recommend the CV64/3D in that case too. The Spectrum has had some reliability issues also. The Spectrum and Picasso 2 are just plain old and slow. I don't get it when they sell for close to the price of a Cybervision 64 or Cybervision 64/3D. At least the Picasso 4's (also excellent) consistently bring good money.

[Ami_GFX]

There was a 4000T that sold for $550-$600 on this forum not long ago. I made an offer because it was so cheap but didn't get it. I don't think it had a 3640 but it did have a SCSI media card drive and HD floppy which makes up for it. The condition looked good and it was working. I bought an Ariadne 1 ethernet card (one of the fastest) for $80 which blows the Hydra away and I gave a Hydra card away to a friend. I'm sure Hydras have gone for more than $100 and Spectrums have sold for more than $200 but the buyer either doesn't understand the hardware or they in a hurry to buy.

Prices do vary a lot by location. The U.S. is cheap with the coasts being higher. Shipping is an issue with the big box Amigas or foreigners would buy them up. I think the fpgaArcade and the promise of other fpga hardware has reduced the insane prices a little. Collectors still want the old Amigas but many users would rather have the conveniences that newer technology provides.

I paid less for mine with a Cyberstorm MK2 but it was a gamble and I didn't know what was inside it. I didn't have the money when the A4000T you mentioned was on the forum but I got mine a couple of months later because I'm really clever at eBay searches and know where things can fall between the cracks and I  had the money at the time.

[danbeaver]

If all you are testing for is FPS, then a PCI board such as a Radeon or Voodoo will give you the best numbers. On the Zorro side a PicassoIV is > Cybervision64 > Cyber vision 64/3D > Spectrum, etc.  Zorro III is a great deal faster then Zorro II, and you will see about a doubling is data transfer to a GPU card, and more with a memory card. SCSI cards have HDD, bus, and other limitations will speeds varying with the types of hardware used.

[ChaosLord]

I think that's too much with just the 3640 accelerator. $800-$1000 is about right, maybe a little more for being so clean.

$400-$700 Base 4000T with 3640
$100-$200 Spectrum
$50-$100 Hydra

I respectfully disagree with you.

I have always assigned a value of $0.00 to the Spectrum.

It has jack for ram.  It is dead slow.  The drivers are not so great.
The product is useless.

Even if you get one for free, you still end up wasting 20 hours of your life trying to make it do something reasonable, which will never happen.

It would be better to put the $200.00 into buying an Amiga 1200 with AGA gfx.  Or to put the money into a Mediator + Radeon 256MB gfx card combo.

You didn't ask for my opinion, but I gave it to you anyway, free of charge

[danbeaver]

I have 2 Spectrum EGS24/28 cards and I love them.  They work perfectly with quick setup with P96 2.1c and give a great picture. They may be slow, but for WorkBench and Web Cerfing it if just fine; the pass thru is a great treat to avoid a VGA switch.

[royalcrown]

I had problems getting mine working, but now have a clean install so will give it a go.

[royalcrown]

1200 ?1 This big barrel of a$$ looking thing...it's so UGLY...maybe in a tower...but blech... 4000>3000>2000>1000>1200>500+>500

THERE...now you have mine for free too

I respectfully disagree with you.

I have always assigned a value of $0.00 to the Spectrum.

It has jack for ram.  It is dead slow.  The drivers are not so great.
The product is useless.

Even if you get one for free, you still end up wasting 20 hours of your life trying to make it do something reasonable, which will never happen.

It would be better to put the $200.00 into buying an Amiga 1200 with AGA gfx.  Or to put the money into a Mediator + Radeon 256MB gfx card combo.

You didn't ask for my opinion, but I gave it to you anyway, free of charge

[Bobo68]

1200 ?1 This big barrel of a$$ looking thing...it's so UGLY...maybe in a tower...but blech... 3000>2000>1000>1200

Are you stare on it to proclaim its ugly?
try to do something with 2000 - it is absolutely worthless box - its place somewhere in closet

[danbeaver]

Are you stare on it to proclaim its ugly?
try to do something with 2000 - it is absolutely worthless box - its place somewhere in closet

What does, "Are you stare on it to proclaim its ugly?" mean?  And what is the "something" that can't be done with an A2000?  Play games?  Word processing?  Desktop publishing?  Generate analogue video?  Generate 3D models and animation?  Cerf the internet?  Expand it with accelerator, RTG card, Ethernet card, and sound card?  I don't get it?  It lacks AGA and a 32-bit bus, so what?

[Bobo68]

t lacks AGA and a 32-bit bus, so what?

so you can't play aga games, some other games lacks of pictures, and you'll receive workbench in 16 colours
in my opinion 1200>2000>500+

BTW, who in present time generates analogue video?? I thought HD video is everywhere
in this case what is the difference between a600 and a2000? slow zorro-II?

[danbeaver]

so you can't play aga games, some  other games lacks of pictures, and you'll receive workbench in 16  colours
in my opinion 1200>2000>500+ BTW, who in present time generates analogue video?? I thought HD video is everywhere
in this case what is the difference between a600 and a2000? slow zorro-II?

I'm afraid the number of AGA games is just a fraction of  the Amiga gaming scene; further the A1200 lacks Zorro bus slots without  towerizing it; the ZorroIII slots are only used for RTG, FastlaneZ3,  and 2+ RAM cards, two of which are electronically identical (ZorRam & BigRam+).:insane:

  Using criteria of expandability, the A2000 ranks with the  A3000T and A4000T.  The 16-color Workbench has work around with the RTG  being the fastest -- I have seen a HAM workbench with 4096 colors.  In my opinion, based on criteria of expandability, ease to work on, build quality, usability, ownership, and value, the A4000T > A4000D > A3000T  > A1200T > A3000D >A2000 > A1200 > A6/500 > A1000; the only I have not owned is the A3000T.:cry:

  By the way, try to work with mixing live video, analogue or  digital, for less than $10,000.  Only a fraction of the world has HD  compared to SD.  The Toaster came as a pretty complete package: video mixing, character generation, 3D object creation (and animation), and paint.  Current NewTek products start in the $20,000 USD range and up.:angel: