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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2013, 12:26:20 AM »
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Nostalgia really. Just been diagnosed with the big C and it makes you think about all the good times you had and the Amiga for me was one of them. I'd like the experience of opening a brand new Amiga as if I were back in the day. Sad I know...


Not sad at all. Not the same thing (not even close) but I've been struggling with on/off suicidal depression for the last two years and rekindling my love affair with the Amiga has helped - I hope you get the chance to relive all those fond memories (the old girl's just as much fun as you remember :)) - I'm not really a religious person, but God bless all the same.
Catapultem habeo. Nisi pecuniam amnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2013, 01:23:16 AM »
Wow, well they may be a different set of circumstances but im sure wanting to be toast is just as painful as not wanting to be but being told you might have to be, if that makes any sense. Well I'm really glad it's helped you. It's been an eye opener for me. Been looking back at old photographs from when I was a kid and getting in touch with old friends. It's helped to be able to value the life I've had so far. You should try and do the same with other aspects of your life as you did with the Amiga. Might be the key for us both. Apologies to all for the morbidity I've brought to the post. But getting back to the Amiga, going backwards is the way forward. I want a bit of an animal of a machine that I can fire up all the old games on with ease. I don't want to cut holes anywhere or Dr the case. Just want it to look standard and clean. :)
 

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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2013, 01:26:54 AM »
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...Maybe if all the people hoarding like 10-20 classic Amigas would start letting them go at reasonable prices, then this guy could find one.  Oh well, pipe dream I know!  Good luck, and keep checking ebay, Amibay, etc. :)
 Define a reasonable price; should it be less than the owner put in to it? The breakup value?  

Lots of people have Amiga's they have restored and updated, including myself.
 

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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2013, 02:28:52 AM »
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Maybe if all the people hoarding like 10-20 classic Amigas would start letting them go at reasonable prices, then this guy could find one.


Couldnt have said it better myself. This is one of the things that hold back new members of the amiga community. There is nothing worse than the amiga hoarders who have tons of amigas and barely ever use them. Then when rare amiga hardware shows up the scoop it up and add it to their collection.
Meanwhile, there are new users or old users getting back into that want expansion boards, net cards, accelerators, whatever. None to be found. :( some of the items I have it literally took YEARS to find. (e.g. Live! 2000 card)
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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2013, 03:03:35 AM »
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Couldnt have said it better myself. This is one of the things that hold back new members of the amiga community. There is nothing worse than the amiga hoarders who have tons of amigas and barely ever use them. Then when rare amiga hardware shows up the scoop it up and add it to their collection.
Meanwhile, there are new users or old users getting back into that want expansion boards, net cards, accelerators, whatever. None to be found. :( some of the items I have it literally took YEARS to find. (e.g. Live! 2000 card)

This is interesting.  How many people on the Amiga sites, do you think, are new to the platform?  I don't mean the guys that left for the latest & fastest, and then returned, but people that never saw an Amiga before, say the year 2000.

It's easy to point fingers at those who have patiently accumulated and preserved their systems.  The real problem is that the Amiga lives in a shrinking pond with decreasing resources (hardware, developers, and consumers).   Even A500s are starting to be treasured and command a rising price (rightly so!), one could only give one away a few years ago.

If I were tempted to vent, it would be at those short-sighted Amigans who recycled or landfilled their old machines when tempted to move on.  There was even a aggravating episode of "This Old House" about 10 years ago in which an A500 was tossed into a dumpster.  "Out with the old, in with the new ..." was actually said.
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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2013, 06:18:33 AM »
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That's a point of view.  Here is another.  Even this web site is crawling with folks who, for various reasons, can't be trusted with the dwindling supply of classic hardware.  There are some who pitched their Amigas and now advocate emulation as a better solution.  There are the guys who have mood swings, purge their Amigas, get nostalgic after a few years and then repeat the process.  There are a few (baffling to me) that had one years ago, seem to hate it now, but log in here and advise against the platform.  We've all seem ppl threatening to "bin" their collection unless someone drives over and picks it up in some time frame.

There are still unrescued Amigas to be found from various sources, although, less than just a few years ago.  :(

It's only been 28 years since the Amiga's introduction.  How many were made and how many are left?

What will the situation look like in 10 more years?  In 20?

I don't consider myself a hoarder.  I hope I have rescued enough Amigas (some from destruction!) to preserve working examples far into the future.

@ Sir Bacharach  -  There are some very good threads here detailing ways to clean-up and preserve your hardware!  It's worth doing if it is worth owning one.

I also tend to think that these days, folks willing to plunk down the bucks on old hardware and systems are more likely care for them the best. I still periodically use my Amigas, but for quite a few years now my focus has shifted towards preserving and maintaining what I have. Generally my hardware is fully restored (if necessary, otherwise left alone), clean, and 100% functional. I've spent more time tinkering in this direction than actually using the systems, to be honest.

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Couldnt have said it better myself. This is one of the things that hold back new members of the amiga community. There is nothing worse than the amiga hoarders who have tons of amigas and barely ever use them. Then when rare amiga hardware shows up the scoop it up and add it to their collection.
Meanwhile, there are new users or old users getting back into that want expansion boards, net cards, accelerators, whatever. None to be found. some of the items I have it literally took YEARS to find. (e.g. Live! 2000 card)

Yeah, some of the things are difficult to find, but do eventually pop up if you're patient and willing to pay. I had no problem getting a NOS A1200 from Petro, just sent the money and got the item. (I'd been half-ass looking for a new one for a few years.) Funnily enough, I decided I didn't really need another A1200 after all, and posted it up for sale on the forum here for what I paid (plus currency conversion/bank fees). Guess what? No one wanted it. So, I'll replace the caps, stick it back in its box. I figure it might be worth something to another enthusiast in 10 years' time. I also sometimes sell off a few things here and there if they'll never realistically find a home in one of my computers, but I never sell at a loss. That way, I know the buyer will be someone who has the right sized nads to look after it properly. :P
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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2013, 02:50:44 PM »
Doh... just missed out on an 8mb expansion fornthe 1200. Think it was a Amitek 1209. Wasnt an accelerator though so was ummin and arrrin. Went for 25 quid buy it now. Probably should have got it. Ideally want an 030 at 42mhz or something along those lines don't want to spend too much but I know these things are collectors items now.
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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2013, 02:56:19 PM »
@Damon

How did you manage to get the amiga from Petro? I've mailed twice expressing interest with no response. What kind of info did you put in your initial mail to him?

Also what kind of condition did yours arrive in? Did you get instructions and were the cables and psu discoloured. I've read some forums saying the extras are sometimes missing or come in poor condition.
I thought the whole point was tonget something new but old.


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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2013, 03:07:17 PM »
It's a bit more money, but, I'd recommend one of the new ACA model accelerators from Amigakit.  They have an efficient flow and come with an ocean of memory.

The only snag is ensuring that you have a compatible motherboard revision.  I have 2 with rev 1D4 that I could never get working, even with the published modifications.  I have another 1200 (don't know the rev), that it was plug-n-play.  It is very impressive accelerator when it works.

EDIT:  I pulled them out and checked.  The 1D.1 and 1D.4 don't work so far.  The 1D.3 does work.
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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2013, 03:21:40 PM »
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It's a bit more money, but, I'd recommend one of the new ACA model accelerators from Amigakit.  They have an efficient flow and come with an ocean of memory.

The only snag is ensuring that you have a compatible motherboard revision.  I have 2 with rev 1D4 that I could never get working, even with the published modifications.  I have another 1200 (don't know the rev), that it was plug-n-play.  It is very impressive accelerator when it works.


As you might bave guessed I know very little about accelerated amigas. Ive seen some on ebay at 42 mhz. Is thjs clock speed irrelevant and afe there other important factors to consider when buying an accelerator. The fastest one on amigakit seemed to be 030 @ 30mhz with 128mb. Is this fast enough to play 3d games like doom alienbreed 3d and quake conversions?
I don't need it to be a supercomputer but I'd like it to be good enough if I did decide to tinker with the likes of those.

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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2013, 03:30:51 PM »
I could only guess at the clock threshold for enjoyable playability with those games, not a gamer.  :(  However, 128 or even 64 MB of fast memory is a large playground for Amiga applications!
 

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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2013, 03:35:40 PM »
Afterthought:  you might try a search for those titles on this sight and the web in general.  There has been a lot of discusion about their playability.
 

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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2013, 03:47:37 PM »
Cheers mate, I'll keep my eyes open for that info. Not sure I'll need that kind of ram though. I won't be a hardcore app user. Just for games and a bjt of dpaint. Maybe browse the web if I can figure out how to hook it up. :)
 

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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2013, 04:05:27 PM »
Youtube has many videos showing 3D shooters like doom and others, they seem to need an 060, the faster the better.
 

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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2013, 04:18:37 PM »
Not to worry thrn with regards to doom. Is there any point in me getting an 030 then if im just gonna play old amiga games like frontier and settlers or am I just being really silly? Who woild benefit from say a 30mhz 030 with 8mb of ram and wbo would benefit from 128?
Im nuzt trying to make sure I'm covered if I become adventurous.

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Re: Where can I get New Old Stock Amiga 1200?
« Reply #29 from previous page: May 22, 2013, 04:26:34 PM »
Just remember that you may need to do hardware timing fixes on Your Amiga motherboard if you go with Individual Computers ACA123x Accelerators. (The 64 and 128 megabyte acc. boards)