A1200 internet

[TheBilgeRat]

I don't disagree with the sentiment..
But I limit my spending for this hobby..
My guess is that he'd get a lot more registrations at $10-$15 USD than the few he'll get at $25 Euros...

desiv

The problem is that we no longer live in the 1980s where this sort of thing is a rare beast.  We are in the age where whole operating systems go for 25 euros (OSX) that include such things as TCP/IP stacks, and USB drivers, and a myriad of other things that are required and expected.  That's just the pay front (IE, not linux, where its all free and works).  I get the sentiment that "my time is worth something, dammit!  I deserve to be compensated!" but give me a break.  All we hear is "MorphOS/AOS4 is a rip-off!  Too expensive blah blah blah" followed by "Developers deserve to be paid for their efforts!"  I don't see the Haiku devs demanding money for their project (and by all accounts its farther along than AOS4 is, although not as far along as Morphos).  We're talking about one simple program to connect a very old computer to the internet (assuming that you can find/afford the hardware to get it there).

[mrmoonlight]

Hi thanks for all the help i was wondering who i should use for sending and recieving email ,best wishes Brian.

[danbeaver]

BilgeRat et al.,

MorphOS is a complete and good OS, though I feel it is too Mac-like. OS 4.1 is an excellent Amiga OS; I have used it almost exclusively for over a year. Both are well worth the money. You can not expect people to spend their free time programming for non-mainstream computers out of the goodness of their heart.

Yes, there are cheapskates out there who pirate movies, music and Amiga software, but others actually "support" a hobby and don't expect everything for free -- unless you are on Medicaid.

You want a free unsupported hobby, collect and play with your Barbie's. Responsible adults act responsibly and don't expect the world handed them on a plate.

[TheBilgeRat]

BilgeRat et al.,

MorphOS is a complete and good OS, though I feel it is too Mac-like. OS 4.1 is an excellent Amiga OS; I have used it almost exclusively for over a year. Both are well worth the money.

When I spend money on an operating system and hardware in 2013, I expect some basic things to be included - one of those things is the ability to connect to the internet (or any network for that matter).

 You can not expect people to spend their free time programming for non-mainstream computers out of the goodness of their heart.

Actually, yes!  Yes you can.  Linux, BSD (open, net, and free...note the "free"), Blender, Gimp, Firefox, Chrome, etc etc etc.  It really doesn't matter about the hardware or its obscurity.  That is what open source is about.

Yes, there are cheapskates out there who pirate movies, music and Amiga software, but others actually "support" a hobby and don't expect everything for free -- unless you are on Medicaid.

Or... you live in 2013 where people actually code for fun and see the end product as a reward in itself.

You want a free unsupported hobby, collect and play with your Barbie's. Responsible adults act responsibly and don't expect the world handed them on a plate.

Actually, Barbies can go for some serious money!  Too rich for my blood.

[mrmoonlight]

RoadShow68K is the fastest and easiest to setup TCP/IP stack (there is no configuring needed) for the OS 3.X Amiga. Transfer numbers show that only the PPC version for OS 4.1 is maginally faster. Twenty-five Euros to support new Amiga software development? Priceless!
 
IBrowse 2.4 and AWeb are the most stable browsers for now (NetSurf 2.8 may be good, but a memory hog). There are key-files for IBrowse on the web -- Google it; failing that PM me for the URL.
 
The "Amiga-experience" Cerfing the web is fine for all but the serious user; for everything else use a modern CPU & modern browser for complicated sites. Good Luck and Good Bless.
 
["Cerfing" refers to Vint Cerf -- Google him if you don't know]

Hi i have just read up on the RoadShow68K and i am very temped but a little worried about using the shell  and some of the other stuff it has which i know very little about and it doesnt really recomend novices ,so is any one using it on a A1200 with accelerater and xtra memory and connected by ethernet pcmia card and cable , and not to clever? lol Brian.

[mrmoonlight]

Hi i have just read up on the RoadShow68K and i am very temped but a little worried about using the shell and some of the other stuff it has which i know very little about and it doesnt really recomend novices ,so is any one using it on a A1200 with accelerater and xtra memory and connected by ethernet pcmia card and cable , and not to clever? lol Brian.

Well just bought it anways lol got to wait for the download ,so heres to the
       ROADSHOW68K   ,BRING IT ON ,Brian.:biglaugh:

[danbeaver]

MorphOS and OS 4.1 come complete with TCP stack and browsers. Open source software is not exactly free. They can be used without cost but read up on whether they are "Free."  Many of the projects listed are university supported (Linux and Gimp among others); this does not make them "free."  Chrome, like all Google products, are supported by advertising. Here is a hint: if you are not contributing anything to support the Amiga community, it will continue to wither. Same for Linux; it is supported by the contributions of others. Programming for "fun" occurs, I have done it; but I've not seen fun contribute to an environment that encourages those with talent to waste their time being taken advantage of -- WHDLoad.

Those who support nothing are not "users" but leeches, living off the blood of others.

When I spend money on an operating system and hardware in 2013, I expect some basic things to be included - one of those things is the ability to connect to the internet (or any network for that matter).



Actually, yes!  Yes you can.  Linux, BSD (open, net, and free...note the "free"), Blender, Gimp, Firefox, Chrome, etc etc etc.  It really doesn't matter about the hardware or its obscurity.  That is what open source is about.



Or... you live in 2013 where people actually code for fun and see the end product as a reward in itself.



Actually, Barbies can go for some serious money!  Too rich for my blood.

[Lurch]

LOL Even if it's supporting the Amiga platform 25 euros for a TCP/IP stack is insane. It should be part of the OS, good thing there are just as good alternatives out there.

WHDLoad is a different story, and it's also a reasonable price. It's not a requirement of an OS.

[utri007]

LOL Even if it's supporting the Amiga platform 25 euros for a TCP/IP stack is insane. It should be part of the OS, good thing there are just as good alternatives out there.

WHDLoad is a different story, and it's also a reasonable price. It's not a requirement of an OS.

Comments like this makes me angry. Do you realize that you are talking about OS wich haven't had any official updates more than ten years?

Who you think should update TCP/IP stack for OS 3.X?? Commodore? Amiga inc? Acer? Hyperion? MorphOS guys? What are those alternatives? Aros? MorphOS Amiga OS4? Windows? Linux? Are they any way comparable with 68k Amiga OS??? Should they update TCP/IP stack for OS1.x-2.X also???

Linux is not free, we have spent more than 100k€ only in this year to it.

[Lurch]

The alternatives are not the OS but other stacks. I find Genesis / AmiTCP to work fine, comes with the 3.9 disc like it should.

Or Miami....  

"Linux" is free :-) The "distribution" you choose may not be, especially if you go the Red Hat way.

Use to support Red hat way back, the first distribution I used was 4.1. Use to be $60NZD tops but now these days Red Hat is become a greedy company :-) But like everything there are alternatives.

Even if you're on a corporate network there are other options.

[danbeaver]

It is one thing to use software that you cannot pay for (MiamiDX and IBrowse-2.4 are examples), but you would pay for if you could. I have "keys" to both. When good software comes along, yes I mean BOTH WHDLoad and RoadShow, as well as new hardware, I vote in favor of supporting it. A flippant remark that €25 is too much, means it is too much for You!   Roadshow68K took months of work and a lot of support in the forums to be trashed by users who never tried it.

[TheBilgeRat]

MorphOS and OS 4.1 come complete with TCP stack and browsers. Open source software is not exactly free. They can be used without cost but read up on whether they are "Free."  Many of the projects listed are university supported (Linux and Gimp among others); this does not make them "free."  Chrome, like all Google products, are supported by advertising. Here is a hint: if you are not contributing anything to support the Amiga community, it will continue to wither. Same for Linux; it is supported by the contributions of others. Programming for "fun" occurs, I have done it; but I've not seen fun contribute to an environment that encourages those with talent to waste their time being taken advantage of -- WHDLoad.

Those who support nothing are not "users" but leeches, living off the blood of others.

Equating the sweat equity of universities and volunteers to bounties for basic functionality is disingenuous.  The big difference is that there are many many projects (if not most) where the support of the product is not compensated for by the end user.  The fact that you equate coding for "fun" as being "taken advantage of" speaks volumes.  Software piracy has nothing to do with open source, yet you speak as if they are one and the same.  Am I a leech, because I use an operating system I paid nothing for and people smarter than me made sure that it contained all the things I would need to get my hardware online, surfing the web, writing documents, checking email, programming in almost every language out there, and playing games?  I paid for WHDload, as it is an original project with merit and use.  I would have never paid bounties to port free software over to our systems.  Did I pay for all the games I play on WHDload?  How could I?  I purchased some of them years and years ago, but not all of them.  We need less holier than thou and more people willing to roll up their sleeves and close their wallets.

[danbeaver]

You don't say!

Read what I wrote, not what you thought I wrote.

Equating the sweat equity of universities and volunteers to bounties for basic functionality is disingenuous.  The big difference is that there are many many projects (if not most) where the support of the product is not compensated for by the end user.  The fact that you equate coding for "fun" as being "taken advantage of" speaks volumes.  Software piracy has nothing to do with open source, yet you speak as if they are one and the same.  Am I a leech, because I use an operating system I paid nothing for and people smarter than me made sure that it contained all the things I would need to get my hardware online, surfing the web, writing documents, checking email, programming in almost every language out there, and playing games?  I paid for WHDload, as it is an original project with merit and use.  I would have never paid bounties to port free software over to our systems.  Did I pay for all the games I play on WHDload?  How could I?  I purchased some of them years and years ago, but not all of them.  We need less holier than thou and more people willing to roll up their sleeves and close their wallets.

[Lurch]

It is one thing to use software that you cannot pay for (MiamiDX and IBrowse-2.4 are examples)

I use Ibrowse without a key as it is the right thing to do, as there is no such thing (legally) as abandonware. 30 Minutes is fine by me, close/open away you go again.

yes I mean BOTH WHDLoad and RoadShow, as well as new hardware, I vote in favor of supporting it.

I'm happy to say I support WHDLoad and have purchased a key. This is a great piece of software that makes a modern 1200 work really well :-)

I purchased many a new piece of hardware, ACA 1231, Indi ECS, Indi AGA Mk2 etc. The only items I believe are over the top price wise is the Indi's. These should be cheaper, but they do a fantastic job and are the only hardware I could find that would do the job so a monopoly it is :-)

A flippant remark that €25 is too much, means it is too much for You!   Roadshow68K took months of work and a lot of support in the forums to be trashed by users who never tried it.

Flippant is the wrong word there, "Not showing a serious or respectful attitude" Does not some up what I said at all.  So not sure what you're getting at.

25 Euro's is over the top for a TCP stack and a lot of people also agree they just choose to not say anything as what usually happens when one does, one gets shot down by the vocal minority.  

And I personally have not trashed it as you wrongly put it, I just stated it's over priced. If it was $15-$20USD I'd purchase a copy.

I get tired of the over pricing that the Amiga world get's hit with. This is a niche, a hobby which a minority are out to gain what they can from.

Compare this to the Commodore 64/Atari world. A shame I am not a fan of both, as I'd have saved my self a lot of money and have an 060 Falcon by now :-)

[djos]

Hmmm, I wonder if anyone can help, trying to get my a1200 online using my NetGear MA401 WiFi card and just not having any luck. Im using this guide:

http://wiki.classicamiga.com/Setting_up_Wireless_Internet_Access_on_A1200

and I've tried both the Prism2 v1.7 and newer Prism2 v2.0 drivers (configuring either is quite simple) but when I run Miami Init and give it the prism2.device, my Link light starts flashing and my a1200 freezes solid, no guru etc, just frozen mouse and flashing Link light for ever and a day.  

PS, I do have CardPatch & CardReset installed - before I had those installed my WiFi card wasnt recognisable at all.

[TCMSLP]

Browsing/IRC/FTP etc from an A1200 is a very good feeling indeed.   I think I need to connect my 1200 back up and possibly invest in Roadshow too.   Sure, it's crazy paying £25 for a TCP/IP stack in 2013 but then this is Amiga and I don't think any of us can really be considered sane.  If we were sane we'd not be using a 20 year old OS...