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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2012, 07:22:35 PM »
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I have a 2000 with a PicassoII and a Phase5 2060 '060 and it runs super fast in 800x600x16 for workbench and productivity.

I have used A2000 with Blizzard2060 and PicassoIV, CV3D, EGS Spectrum and PicassoII and PicassoII feels slower in 16bit, just move the mouse between the different menus and you´ll notice how it redraws, it´s not instantaneus.

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The 2000 wins for me as favorite because its built like a tank and has the most expandability.

I have a Micronik A4000 with 7 ZorroIII slots right here. On desktop models with Mediator you can fit 4 PCIs and 3 zorro cards.

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Upgraded my 8-bit ISA slots to 16-bit and have every slot in my A2000 full using a bridge board.

I see little use for bridgeboard apart of using an Ethernet card. I used to have a 286 cbm bridgeboard and the sandwitch eats 2 slots.

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I can easily run Windows 3.11 w/SVGA ISA & Soundblaster card, Use the Amiga and run MacOS8 all at the same time.

I can run MacOS 9 with iFusion on an A3000/A4000 :-) And I could run PC-Task with Windows3.1 too, although I see little interest in doing that.

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A3000/4000 will be faster when the bus is taxed, but I have more fun on the A2000 since it has the ability to be so many more machines.

A3000/A4000 also can have faster USB2.0, can have PCI cards, have AGA, faster chipmem... and you have exactly the same posibilities of fitting a bridgeboard. Both A4000 and A3000 come with ISA slots as standard.

If "ability to be so many more machines" means fitting a PC inside the same case I can install an industrial peecee in one of the isa or pci slots way faster than old bridgeboards and interchange data using network for example.

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A3000 is the best looking, but horrible cooling, few 060 options and limited Zorro/ISA slots

"few"? what do you mean by few? A3000 can use almost all A4000 060 cards, the only ones that would be problematic I remember are CyberstormMK1 (doesn´t fit on standard case) and Quickpak 060 board (only fits well on A4000T). You can fit CS MK2, CS MK3, CS PPC, GVP 060... enough for me.

ISA slots are quite useless for me :-) I prefer to use ZorroIII cards at full speed or fit PCI cards. The only use I could give to a bridgeboard would be driving an ethernet card but I can have that with Deneb for example, and enjoy relatively high in Amiga terms usb2.0 speeds with DMA.

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A4000 is the fastest, but both of mine are cranky, so I am bad judge of them as I find leaking caps in all that I cross.

I have also seen dead A2000 rotten by bad batteries but that doesn´t mean A2000 are cranky. A2000 are also more unstable with those 2MB chip sandwitch like expansions.

Don´t get me wrong, I love all my miggies but A4000 is simply more powerful, just like A3000. that doesn´t mean you can´t have fun using your expanded A2000 but it will feel slower than similar A3000&A4000. And in the case of A3000 vs A4000 I prefer the later too as it has AGA and a more modern design that saves me headaches.
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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2012, 07:43:55 PM »
Between the 2000 and 3000, I think it's a tougher call for reasons all mentioned. A lot of those 4000 accelerators don't fit in the 3000 without modifying the drive cage, not to mention the MK2 SCSI add-on doesn't fit, Fastlane doesn't work... (been trying to find a WarpEngine 3040 for my 3000 on the good advice of matt3k for ages with no dice!), That 3000 is likely to require hunting down some chip upgrades and possibly more fiddling to get the best out of it, too. A 2000 with an '060, SCSI-2, and good graphics board is a pretty damn nice classic miggy!

My favorites for upgrading are the 2000 and 4000...
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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2012, 08:58:38 PM »
Amiga 2000 with 68060 Blizzard (or TekMagic) + RTG card is pretty much faster by at least 3-4 times imho than A3000+68030.  I think the speed won't be utilized fully by WHDload...  though the SCSI controller on those accel boards is better than the A3000 WD chip.   Also the Blizzard board will give you more memory.  If you have flicker fixer board in a2000 then you're settled.   A3000 is still nice machine though.  Advantage of A3000 is it has flicker fixer, scsi all build in, which way back in a day was themed: amiga done the way it should have been.  (compared to A1000 noscsi/flickerfixer and partly because A2000 2091 scsi board was a bit slow).
Having both of them is ok, but if you must choose do A2000+68060+RTG as its great for other tasks than gaming as well.  Assuming your A3000 has full memory 16mb, flicker fixer build in, its not a bad choice to run WhdloADgames.  I THINK your decision should be driven by cost.  Cost of 68060 is likely the same or close to cost of A3000???
I noticed everything redrawing faster on my WB with my 68060 than with 68030.
Lastly, Amiga 4000T (tower one) is the best one of them all.  Too bad its hard to find and costs quite a bit more than A3000 or A2000 with accelboard.
 

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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2012, 09:09:41 PM »
while on topic of a2000...
Only rev 4 board is german made and it had issues.  
rev 4.x and 6 were designed in westchester, pa and produced in hong kong / taiwan etc.
All my Amiga 2000s don't say Made in germany so maybe you have something you picked up in europe?
I also have rev 4.3 A2000 board and thats cr*p compared to rev 6.x which has all the changes and fixes.  of all of them 6.2 and 6.3 and 6.4 are more desirable obviously.
I think A2000 was build at time when Commodore was doing ok, ok enough not to be cheap etc.  A3000 came in 1990 and I think by then Amiga/Apple were losign their edge to IBM Clones so some corners might have been cut (the case is very small similar to PC-ii or PC-iii that commodore was selling)
 

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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2012, 09:25:17 PM »
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while on topic of a2000...
Only rev 4 board is german made and it had issues.  
rev 4.x and 6 were designed in westchester, pa and produced in hong kong / taiwan etc.
All my Amiga 2000s don't say Made in germany so maybe you have something you picked up in europe?
I also have rev 4.3 A2000 board and thats cr*p compared to rev 6.x which has all the changes and fixes.  of all of them 6.2 and 6.3 and 6.4 are more desirable obviously.
I think A2000 was build at time when Commodore was doing ok, ok enough not to be cheap etc.  A3000 came in 1990 and I think by then Amiga/Apple were losign their edge to IBM Clones so some corners might have been cut (the case is very small similar to PC-ii or PC-iii that commodore was selling)


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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2012, 11:33:15 PM »
Ok. Going to expand the A2000 vs. getting an A3000 or A4000. Going to keep it at OS 3.1.

I just grabbed the Phase5 060 on eBay that came w/ a ext SCSI CD-ROM drive and a 9GB SCSI HD all for $540 USD or so. Not too bad, it seems.

Should be fun. Now need a vidcard. I have some leads...

Thanks for all the info.



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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2012, 12:40:40 AM »
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Ok. Going to expand the A2000 vs. getting an A3000 or A4000. Going to keep it at OS 3.1.

I just grabbed the Phase5 060 on eBay that came w/ a ext SCSI CD-ROM drive and a 9GB SCSI HD all for $540 USD or so. Not too bad, it seems.

Should be fun. Now need a vidcard. I have some leads...

Thanks for all the info.



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Congratulations on the 060!

if you run WHDload games for the most part then maybe you should get a Indivision ECS if they are still available. It will probably be of more use to you than a GFX board. It can also do some GFX board like modes, but I don't know all of the details because I don't have an ECS. I'm guessing it can do the same modes as my AGA (1024x768, 1280x768)

check this link...

http://mfilos.blogspot.com/2012/04/a600-picasso96-via-indivision-ecs.html

Also if you later wanted to add a GFX board you could get one without a scandoubler because your VGA output would be compatible with any LCD - unlike old scandoublers which dont look very good (or work at all in PAL) on a modern monitor.
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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2012, 12:49:25 AM »
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Congratulations on the 060!

if you run WHDload games for the most part then maybe you should get a Indivision ECS...


Got one in already. :-)



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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2012, 12:32:46 PM »
Won the Picasso II that was on eBay, to go along with the 060. Should be interesting.


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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2012, 12:40:28 PM »
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Won the Picasso II that was on eBay, to go along with the 060. Should be interesting.


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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2012, 12:42:42 PM »
I heard that GVP-M is going to run new patch of Spectrum 16/24

http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/gvp_spectrum.html&cart_id=3626924_596807

It is slighly better than Picasso II because it has a Zorro III support, otherwise it is indentical product.
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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2012, 12:51:56 PM »
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I heard that GVP-M is going to run new patch of Spectrum 16/24

http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/gvp_spectrum.html&cart_id=3626924_596807

It is slighly better than Picasso II because it has a Zorro III support, otherwise it is indentical product.


The Picasso II is a little better in terms of the resolutions it can do. I could do 800x600 in 24 bit with a Picasso II. I can only get to 16 bit 800x600 with my EGS Spectrum. For an A2000 with Zorro II, it is the better card.

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Won the Picasso II that was on eBay, to go along with the 060. Should be interesting.


Should be a great system.
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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2012, 01:08:03 PM »
Hmm might it be that your card is only 1mb card?? I don't have any poblems with 800x600 24bit and certainly Spectrum supports it.

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=451
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=467

They have a same chipset and identical specs, execpt GVP has a Zorro 3 support
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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2012, 02:06:41 PM »
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Between the 2000 and 3000, I think it's a tougher call for reasons all mentioned. A lot of those 4000 accelerators don't fit in the 3000 without modifying the drive cage, not to mention the MK2 SCSI add-on doesn't fit, Fastlane doesn't work... (been trying to find a WarpEngine 3040 for my 3000 on the good advice of matt3k for ages with no dice!),

WarpEngine4040 & CSPPC seem to fit in my Desktop A3000 cutting the metal to leave space for capacitors. FastLane will probably require at least buster9. Do you have Buster 11?

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A 2000 with an '060, SCSI-2, and good graphics board is a pretty damn nice classic miggy!

Indeed :-) Although ZorroII isn't fast for gfx it's ok for WB usage if you don't open many memory hungry screens
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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2012, 03:04:04 PM »
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Hmm might it be that your card is only 1mb card?? I don't have any poblems with 800x600 24bit and certainly Spectrum supports it.

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=451
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=467

They have a same chipset and identical specs, execpt GVP has a Zorro 3 support


It could be. I haven't taken it out and looked at it since a few years ago. I just recently noticed because I got a new monitor and had to adjust the video frequencies a bit. My A2500 is in a tight cabinet space and I have to move a lot of stuff to get it out so I only pull it out and open it up if I really have to.

There are 1mb Picasso IIs too but it looks like the chips are socketed and the upgrade is easy. We forget how much those memory chips cost in the 90s.
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Re: A2000 w/ 060 speed?
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