A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4

[spirantho]

But Windows is not bundled/connected with only one or two hardware companies offering highprice computers

I'm not sure I see the relevance. OK, so Windows has 1000s of companies, and AmigaOS has two, that doesn't shift responsibility. Hyperion are still a very small company who are busily working on the core OS. They don't have the time to do drivers as well, so someone else has to do it - and that someone is Trevor.

It is not Hyperion's responsibility to write drivers, only the API.

And incidentally, many Windows machines are a lot  more expensive than the X1000. The X1000 is cheap compared to a lot of systems.

[persia]

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[Crumb]

No overlay??? In 2012? Really?

IMHO overlay is a very basic feature much more important than 3d support.

[cgutjahr]

Now it's just extremely confusing, and leaves a lot of room for misinterpretations.

I can see how that would cause you a lot of pain.

[cgutjahr]

Please guys... Given that all moderators have finally been driven away from a.org by the insanity and questionable behaviour of the two site admins, we all need stick with a few basic rules to keep discussion civil.

There's really no valid reason to answer a posting from takemehomegrandma. Really.

[jorkany]

I'm not sure I see the relevance. OK, so Windows has 1000s of companies, and AmigaOS has two, that doesn't shift responsibility. Hyperion are still a very small company who are busily working on the core OS. They don't have the time to do drivers as well, so someone else has to do it - and that someone is Trevor.

It is not Hyperion's responsibility to write drivers, only the API.

And incidentally, many Windows machines are a lot  more expensive than the X1000. The X1000 is cheap compared to a lot of systems.

And if you investigate why a lot of those Windows (or did you mean x86) systems are more expensive there's generally a good reason for it, often related to performance.

Sure the X1000 is a niche system. So are these:
http://www.ruggednotebooks.com/

...the difference is that the ruggedized laptop niche exists because there is a reason for it. The X1000 has no reason to exist, it's simply a folly niche and therefore isn't worth the $3K unless you happen to be delusional. Fortunately this pay-for-drivers debacle seems to snapping a few people out of it.

[OlafS3]

after long discussions seems to be clear...

the drivers are 2D drivers for newer graphiccards and will be part of 4.2. and are available before by either being a-eon customer or pay a fee. It are 2D drivers and not 3D. It would all been a little more easy when it would be clear what drivers exactly are part of AOS 4.2. (and when it will be available). And of course can Trevor expect money if he finances it....

Regarding the issue... People that buy AOS do not buy a computer, a seperate OS and 3rd party drivers they want to buy a bundle of OS (with drivers) and hardware. It is similar with MorphOS (except that there are more updates free of charge). The only exception is Aros where the OS is not directly connected to certain hardware. That do I mean by Windows is not connected to a certain hardware. If you split it in hardware, OS and drivers what is the advantage of the bundling (except higher prices)?.

[takemehomegrandma]

Please guys... Given that all moderators have finally been driven away from a.org by the insanity and questionable behaviour of the two site admins, we all need stick with a few basic rules to keep discussion civil.

There's really no valid reason to answer a posting from takemehomegrandma. Really.

WTF?!

Have you been drinking heavily before posting? Or are you hearing voices in your head? You clearly see things that aren't there, yet you come bursting out like this? I mean WTF, get a hold of yourself, or at least please sober up before going near the keyboard again!

:rolleyes:

[takemehomegrandma]

after long discussions seems to be clear...

the drivers are 2D drivers for newer graphiccards and will be part of 4.2. and are available before by either being a-eon customer or pay a fee. It are 2D drivers and not 3D. It would all been a little more easy when it would be clear what drivers exactly are part of AOS 4.2. (and when it will be available).

If all drivers for all these cards will be part of OS4.2, then why didn't they simply say so from the beginning? Then those Sam users and everyone else causing those 9+ pages of comments in the AW.net news item, as well as that 4 page "pay for drivers" thread, would have been calmed, and the hole issue been disarmed? Are they are making up things as they go?

:confused:

[klx300r]

from my post at aw.net
'this is great news as it shows development is pushing forward.  Surely  many of us here have willingly donated to numerous bounties in the past  and will continue to do so in the future so consider this small fee a  donation to Hans for all his hard work

A good friend of mine  worked for ATI here in my home town for many years and all he did was  work on the install scripts for various video card drivers and he was  getting paid very well indeed so we must put things into perspective  here in Amiga land'

@ the usual suspects

not bad, 22 posts before the usual OS4 thread trashing is a big improvement

the king of the usual suspects wrote:

'No we won't go for such insane HW, sorry. Insanely expensive, not  providing significantly better performance and a dead end product (PA6T  is dead and X1000 is likely already in the process of being replaced  with something else). Thanks, but no thanks, I can think dozens of  better ways to spend our resources than wasting it on this dead corpse of a computer.'

tisk tisk..not like Piru to blow his load so early in a new OS4 related thread:roflmao:yes, great idea, please don't waste any more of your time on the X1000 or on every single OS4.x related threads and spend all of your time only focusing on preserving old Apple products

[OlafS3]

I think there is a difference between what AOS users buy and what they really buy. They think they get all drivers updated till the hardware is completely supported but that is obviously not truth. Perhaps they have read the advertisements not carefully enough, perhaps they have imagined too much and thought when buying expensive hardware full support will follow. In future they should look on the promises more carefully and ask more questions...

[itix]

It is not Hyperion's responsibility to write drivers, only the API.

I agree. A-eon and Acube are 3rd party vendors and responsible to provide drivers for their hardware. I dont see any reason why Hyperion should support any 3rd party hardware without getting paid. For some reason ACube customers think they should have A-eon's drivers for free.

[OlafS3]

+1

Acube is responsible and must supply drivers, not a-eon

[haywirepc]

Man, how much more can they rape the shrinking user base? So after spending 10 times what os4 hardware is worth, now we're going to make you purchase drivers separately?

The argument that hyperion dosn't have to provide drivers is ridiculous. THEY are the ones who want locked down hardware/software system. If they want a closed model, THEY should be providing drivers. What are they going to do next sell you an OS without network drivers and make you purchase network card drivers separately?

And yes, people expect drivers for free, some graphics card drivers are the least you should get for spending so much money on antiquated slow as balls by todays computing standards hw.

Some of you people really just drink the cool aid. So tied up on a name that you'll buy anything, even apparently paying seperately for drivers.

I've said it before, this whole hyperion os4 plan is quite simply retarded. I know many huge amiga fans who just can not justify paying so much for such ****ty hardware and even the os itself is a piece of ****. If huge amiga fans
can't even justify buying it, what hope do they have to epand the user base? ZERO hope. They just want to rape and rob whoever is left thats stupid enough to buy their garbage hw and sloppy os.

Oh, and when is USB going to work in OS4? Are they going to farm that out to a third party developer and make you pay for usb drivers seperately too?

Hey, why not ship computers without any keyboard driver. Once the computer arrives you call them with a credit card and pay for a keyboard driver so you can type on your new os4 computer.

Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.

[takemehomegrandma]

I dont see any reason why Hyperion should support any 3rd party hardware without getting paid.

However, they *are* getting paid, aren't they?

AFAIK, Hyperion set their price tags themselves, it's from them the whole OS4 business stems, it's them who grants "AmigaOne" systems rights, and "AmigaOS" systems rights, entirely according to their rules and fees, absolute power.

"3rd party hardware"? What?! It's the only two "available" OS4 computers, in direct license/partnership with Hyperion, it's simply what OS4 runs on, it is the *official OS4 platform*! It's not something alien, something unrelated, some rudimentary unofficial third party gizmo that lacks relevance; we are talking graphics for the official "AmigaOne" OS4 computers! And AFAIK, Hyperion have at least claimed to pay for development before, so what changed? Hyperion is still here? Or is it Dickinson & Leaman now?

I also think people who speaks about Microsoft, ATI and nVidia etc in this OS4 contexts is slightly confused. There are no similarities, not anywhere.

[amigakit]

@haywirepc

If a customer buys an AmigaOne X1000 they get the new Radeon Graphics Drivers Free of Charge.  They do not pay any fee.