MUI Class "Bug"

[Kent]

Yeah, I'd ask Chris how to remove that "feature".  If there is no way to remove that feature, I would ask for a feature request to at least be able to turn it on and off.  For now, don't use a USB keyboard I guess.  Sad how some fights go as far as programming, but oh well.

:pint:

[Framiga]

Hi all,

Take a loohk to this OLD news from

http://amiga.czex.com/history/11_02e.html


"15.11.2002 KDH drops the sale of Spider USB PCI card & MORE

KDH Datentechnik has stopped the sales of Elbox Spider USB PCI card until further clarification and resolution of this Elbox USB driver problem (RDB trashing code inside).

 "KDH is convinced that neither Chris Hodges nor Christian Boehmer create or spread an FUD as you want us to believe. KDH will start selling the Spider again if we get an replacemnet for the Spider software (on CD) and the actions requested by Chris towards Elbox have taken place."

 "If the same code is included in other Elbox products too(e.g. pci.library), we certainly will drop the sales of these products also. But you have to understand that our main business is not the investigation of Elbox products. We want to sell products and we want to sell Elbox products too, and we do assume that the manufacturer doesnt take this approach to save his investment. There have to be other and better methods to do this."

 Another piece of Elbox's software contaminated?
It is suspected that some versions of pci.library also contain RDB trashing code previously found in Spider USB 2.0 High-Speed card driver."


pci.library too?

Ciao

PS- AFAIK the "protection code" was removed from Elbox drivers but . . . someone could still have it on the own systems.

It is right to remember that, if a customer uses the driver correctly (no mod-hack), the protection would not have to be activated.

EDITED - for thoroughness information and to say that all this situation, had beginning from the fact that Elbox sold an USB card by NEC (720100) with the only modification on the firmware. (in order to obligate of fact, the customers to use theyr Spider USB (overpriced) in place of the cheaper NEC 720100.

 . . . .a self-destroing image decision IMHO, from an ethical and professional POV.

[lempkee]

anyway the elbox RDB code (which i have never seen , or it has never thrashed anyones rdb (on an legal way anyway) was removed after all the fights and chris hodges closed his poseidon registration , but now later he re opened it (the registration for elbox spider) due to there was alot of amiga users who got very upset that they had to buy an spider card and not get more than a demo of the STACK.

i would like to say here that chris H. has always been nice to me and helped alot and i know he got very upset at elbox and everything around the spider but i somewhat cant justify the "several issues" that has happened since then.

also elbox wanted to protect their drivers/hardware by blocking out "OTHER" usb cards etc by locking their software so it wouldnt work if they had an E3b usb card in their setup along with an mediator from them (elbox) etc, but last i checked this havent surfaced yet and i doubt it will. (without the beta /dev package which aint official (as in for ALL) .)

[Kronos]

lempkee wrote:

r it has never thrashed anyones rdb (on an legal way anyway)

How would you know ? Blaming the USB-card on a PCI-expansion doesn't
come natural when you just had a fatal HD-error ...

Fact is, the nature of AOS makes it absolutly possible that the code can be triggered
by any piece of buggy SW (and there is more than enough of that), and this made
it inacceptable (putting aside that it is actually a criminal offence in some countries).

[Zadoc]

Well, I email Chris Hodges last night and just got a response this morning.

Apparently this 'is' a feature of the "hid.class" and can be circumvented by holding down another key while typing "Elbox".

However, before anyone goes 'too hard' on Chris, he did offer me an apology and sent me a modified 'hid.class' without the Elbox re-spelling feature.

@Lempkee:

I agree fullheartedly about Chris.  He's a great guy, and a gifted programmer, but I believe he goes a touch overboard at times.I think he has every reason to feel justified in being upset, but the way he conducts himself sometimes makes him look slightly childish.

It's simply a shame because with his temper and Elbox's stubbornness this situation will probably never go away.  I only hope it doesn't worsen.

Personally, the one I feel the worst for is Michael Boehmer who's been dragged into the middle of this - when this situation is simply an Elbox vs. Hodges fued.

[Framiga]

Hi Zadoc

oh my God!!! so those "hid.class", is now a "friendware" distribution?

I can't beleive it :-(

Ciao

[Zadoc]

@ Framiga

oh my God!!! so those "hid.class", is now a "friendware" distribution?

From my perspective, this Elbox vs Hodges fued isn't necessarily hitting the other parties so much as it's hitting the users.

Elbox's alleged threats to 'disable' their drivers if E3B hardware is detected, this hid.class retaliation, the threats, the demands, and everything is hitting the consumers.

I simply want to run a Mediator, a Highway USB card, and Poseidon in my setup.

If Elbox is a bad company with terrible business ethics it doesn't change the fact that my Mediator is one of the best upgrades I have for my A1200T.

If Chris can be a bit overbearing with his frustrations it also doesn't change the fact that Poseidon has become a integral part of my A1200T's software either.

If a consumer wants to boycott one product or the other, fine, that is their choice.  But to be 'dragged' into this is just wrong whether you believe Elbox are the bad guys or that Hodges is the bad guy.

I simply posted about the resolve to this problem so that others suspecting their systems being 'invaded' by a virus wouldn't become as panicked as I had.

If Chris wants to keep this 'feature' in the hid.class and future versions of it, that's his decision and his right to do so.  I only think users should be warned about it as to not become panicked and start frantically searching for a virus.

I only posted the result of Chris sending me a new hid.class to show that Chris does actually care about Poseidon users.

[lempkee]

kronos: so u finally answered in this thread , aint you going to slaughter chris hodges now? , seeing that he have done the same thing as elbox did? , time to prove you aint just another elbox troll

anyway as i said earlier, i have not heard a single user say that they got their hdd trashed because of elbox (and using it for what its meant to be), but i have heard people got this problem after hacking the elbox spider code.

and now i have heard of this mui class hack thats in poseidon (i dont use usb mouse or keyboard) , so feel free to explode now kronos..

is it the time where i am to install a keyboard and say it killed my amigaOS install?

[lempkee]

zadoc: sure i agree but this is now a bigger problem as now both have done hacks to destroy credibility from the users point of view and i think its time for the elbox trolls to wake up.

thanx for clearing it up and i hope every goddamn poseidon user will get this hid.class update , if for one want it in case i ever want to go usb keyboard/omouse etc.

but it makes me think , what more is placed in the source, can/should we expect more things like this?

 

[Framiga]

Hi Zadoc,

i haven't never said "seriously", that Elbox is a bad Company . . .i would like to see anothers ten like them!

I said also:

"PS- except this annoying episode, Elbox remains one of the best and active Amiga related company IMHO"

and i still think so :-).

Ciao

PS- nice site as well :-) pity that i can't view your videos. (i'm on Amiga only)

[Kronos]

@lempkee
Does this feature do any more harm,than being just annoying ?

Don't think so.

Does it stop Elbox-HW from working ?

Probraly not.

So it is just a lame and childish joke, nothing more.


And again, just because you haven't heard off anybody having RDB-troubles, does NOT
mean it didn't happen. Or do you really think anybody would have blamed the USB-driver
for a HD-crash (before the affair went public) ?

[lempkee]

kronos:hah well i havent heard of anyone who has got an hdd trashed because of this hid.class either so most likely its just another "ELBOX HATER" who posted that hd trashing rdb stuff in the first place or?

what if this hid.class accidentally formats your drive when u use format ? , maybe i have a drive called ELSUXX ? and i wanted to format my elbox: drive ..,  or what if i wrote an email to elbox in an friendly manner and everywhere i typed elbox it say ELSUXX*crap #### #### mega lame etc?


btw anyone have this hid.class issue on a pegasos? , thats infact a very VALID question, if its not then its obvious that its just another attempt to blow amigaos away....or maybe not?

[lempkee]

kronos:btw are we users really that lame that we will blame elbox or poseidon when our system crash and burn? , well i wont but i am seriously questioning it now.

just makes me wonder how many of theese patches/hacks/jokes i use every day now...

anyway i hope everyone will get this NON hacked hid.class and get this issue over with , and for the love of god please remove all such childish jokes from a somewhat serious app/tool.

[Kronos]

@lempkee
And people keep telling that I am a troll ......

The Elbox-code DOES trash the RDB, and thats been prooven.

One might discuss how likely it is to be triggered while in normal use, but
the cheer possibilty can't be discussed.

You case of someone having drives called "Elbox" and "Elsuxx", is a bit far of,
come up with something better if you want to claim it is actually more than a lame
joke.

Bout the Pegasos, what has this do with it ? Do you know if and when the "cookie"
gets activated ? Do you really think any sane person would make a plattform-descion
based on it ?

[platon42]

Oh come, lempkee, now you're bit off the spot, don't you think so? It was a harmless joke, it does not destroy things, it does not do any damage, especially not wipe out your RDB. Poseidon does not contain code to cause harm to your harddisk on purpose, unlike the code that was planted in the pci.library and the usb.device by Elbox, risking to be triggered by accident and destroying the users harddisk.

What you call a "mui class hack" is nothing the like. It just "listens" to the keypresses from the USB keyboard it gets and in a certain condition of the state machine, outputs a few more keys. That's all. No hacking, no evil code, no harm done. It is simply a joke (and I admit, a pretty childish one, but I didn't have the time for a better one).

People already noticed that there are more routines in Poseidon, that are there for fun only. Either you trust the programmer of the software, or you don't. In the latter case, I'd advise you not to use it. However, reports of me being a terrorist are greatly exaggerated :-D

... oh, and just reading even more replies of you, could you please stop trolling? Thanks.

"attempt to blow amigaos away" tststs... get a life, dude!