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Offline Iggy

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 12:59:45 AM »
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Amusing anecdote is everyone says Jobs went from Xerox and took what he saw there and came up with the Mac...huge success...amazing foresight, but in truth he took what he saw at Xerox and came up with Lisa first.

Yep, the Palo Alto research Center never gets the full credit for its contribution.
And both Apple and Xerox tried to sell these things at >$10K until someone at Apple realized that the market was quite a bit south of that figure.
If the Lisa was introduced in 1983, then it only preceded the Amiga 1000 by two years (and the Mac only had a one year lead).

How the hell did this garbage become so successful when our systems eventually failed?
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Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 01:33:00 AM »
Always liked the purported dialog that went on between Jobs and Gates after they both saw (and later "borrowed) from Xerox and used it hands on, the GUI interface on the PARC/Xerox Star concept.  Jobs seemed to figure he was being ripped off by MS, when the plain fact is both of them were thieves, lol.

Jobs was pissed off when Gates brought out Windows and got into a pissing match with Gates about it, the reported conversation was:

--- snip ---
Steve Jobs: What is this? This is like doing business with a praying mantis. You get seduced, and then eaten alive afterwards?

Bill Gates: Get real, would ya? You and I are both like guys who had this rich neighbor - Xerox - who left the door open all the time. And you go sneakin' in to steal a TV set. Only when you get there, you realize that I got there first. I got the loot, Steve! And you're yellin'? "That's not fair. I wanted to try to steal it first." You're too late.
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Pirates of Silicon Valley is a great movie to watch if you enjoy a Hollywood spin on the early days of computing.  Can find it on YouTube in its entirety at:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWyLOKjlAKA

We can all agree the Amiga was, and still is - the best original, old school GUI interface, bar none.  Back in those days, it was truly revolutionary.  Why did it fail?  Progress, mainly - but mangled business management by C= sure didn't help.

I still remember seeing Doom on a PC right when it came out - this was just shortly after I had blown like $1700 on an accelerator card, video card, and SCSI card for my A4000.  I actually got those Amiga components rather than buy myself a newer and more reliable car, I was still a teenager then and that was a whole hell of a lot of money.  I knew the writing was on the wall right then and there :/
 

Offline darkage

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 01:58:22 AM »
I have to say, thats an insanely great price!!!  Emphasizing on insane part of it of course! (:
 

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Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 04:02:08 AM »
I love how some folks keep railing at the hardware like it can hear them across the internet and 30 years ago, like they can still buy these and have to cope with the floppy drives, or if they had the money they'd bring it home and try to use it as a primary machine.

Hilarity.

It is a museum piece.  It is a well-maintained, very rare for the condition it is in museum piece.  Seriously, what shall we discuss next?  Hm?  An original Model-A Ford coupe?  Oh my god, no iPod jack?  No GPS?  Oh and the emissions!  Terrible!  Why I can't even put unleaded gas in it!  What an awful contraption!
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Offline Megamig

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2012, 09:01:07 AM »
What a jerk.. For that price I would expect the floppy problem fixed (surely there are floppy disk technicians) and free postage if I lived in the US/Canada

Some people believe they can get rich selling any piece of crap. But I guess it is cheaper than this Mac prototype

http://mashable.com/2012/04/17/apple-mac-prototype-ebay/#59529Prototype-Apple-Macintosh-128
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Offline Haranguer

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2012, 11:24:14 AM »
@B00tDisk

The high price of the Amiga is an indication of it's rarity, more than anything else.

From that, you can assume that the Apple Lisa is rarer still.

Recently an Apple 1 was sold for much more than that - that's because it's even rarer that a Lisa.

If I had the money to spare, I'd happily buy that Lisa - it's value can only go up.
 

Offline persia

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2012, 11:29:09 AM »
There are collectors out there that have driven the price up.  They buy it and put it in their collection.  It ruins the market for the rest of us.
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Offline orange

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2012, 01:09:07 PM »
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.. (also Mac users are probably more crazy, but I'll leave that statement up for debate, lol)

they don't even come close to Amiga worshipers, for a reason :)
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Offline darkage

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 08:16:39 AM »
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they don't even come close to Amiga worshipers, for a reason :)


Yep definitely Amiga worshipers take the cake!! (or pie!) on a higher order of nuttyness :)  especially when commenting on CUSA threads...  ouch!
 

Offline Iggy

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2012, 11:43:05 AM »
I notice no ones bought this piece of crap yet.
"Not making any hard and fast rules means that the moderators can use their good judgment in moderation, and we think the results speak for themselves." - Amiga.org, terms of service

"You, got to stem the evil tide, and keep it on the the inside" - Rogers Waters

"God was never on your side" - Lemmy

Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective"
 

Offline darkage

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2012, 02:45:35 PM »
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I notice no ones bought this piece of crap yet.


ha! thanks for bringing the thread back on topic.. hmmm lets see, home deposit or umm Lisa.. yes the choice is very clear..  :-/
 

Offline Tripitaka

Re: I have often heard it said
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2012, 04:37:46 PM »
Quote from: darkage;691230
ha! thanks for bringing the thread back on topic.. hmmm lets see, home deposit or umm Lisa.. yes the choice is very clear..  :-/


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