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[cgutjahr]

If Moana had come out, we would not have Sams, we would not have X1000

Yes, but you make it sound like this would be a bad thing? Why?

Edit: Are you aware that moana actually was said to be an ACube project? Apparently the Sam manufacturer itself didn't worry too much about the Sam.

We would all be tied to using Mac cast-offs.

They are cheaper, easier to get and available in bigger numbers. And if one breaks, you simply buy a replacement (you can do that ten times before getting even close to what the x1000 costs). Again, what's the problem?

By releasing AOS 4 for Macs we would be tied down to second hand Macs for the lifetime of AOS 4

Who said "lifetime"? We could be using OS4 on cheap, proven hardware right now. And while we would have fun doing that, we could take our time to plan the next step.

Planning the next step is neccessary anyway - the x1000 always was a dead end.

If you want to use old Macs, use MOS. If you don't, use AOS. Be happy with what you choose, and let other people be happy with what they choose.

You can be happy as much as you want. And I'm going to voice my opinion as much as I want. Deal?

[TheDaddy]

>>What you are ignoring is that the people who could have delivered an OS4 version that runs on a Mac (remember "Moana"? that was four years ago) decided not to do so.

There must have been a reason behind that decision but I don't make a big deal out of it. They decided not to go that route this is ok with me. So today we are in a situation where we have OS4 for SAMs and X1000. And for someone interested in doing just that these machine will do the job.


>>And now the very same people are trying to sell you a $3000 computer that apparently doesn't do anything that a six year old $200 Mac can't do. And we never got any explanation for this decision. That's why a comparison with Mac hardware is not "useless chat", but food for thought.

Apart from the fact that is a strong possibility that the X1000 benchmarks are skewed but if you don't like OS4 and don't like the X1000 then the answer is simple: "Don't buy them!"

>>Some of us really want to use OS4 (it was my main OS for four years), but the only choices presented to us are pocket calculators that cost a fortune, or outdated desktop computers that cost three fortunes. I'm asking myself "why?" - and with every delay, with every benchmark, every time somebody mentions the price tag I look at Hyperion, the OS4 devs or A-EON for answers.


If you can't cope with the idea of using a calculator to run OS4 then use MOS on the mac they are more or less the same anyway.

I don't mind the idea of a netbook with OS4 on but I am really more into the powerful stuff. So I might get a 460ex or if I can stretch it a X1000 (no matter what the "benchmarks" say).
Why? Because I have fun with OS4 and want it to develop further.

>>At the same time MorphOS users are going to run their OS on cheap and readily available laptops produced by a respected company that run circles around those wannabe netbooks that will cost three times as much and will be produced by god knows who.

Then good luck to them. Get yourself MOS3.0 and a mac.

>>But yeah, our biggest problems are those evil guys publishing benchmarks.

My problem is not strictly the benchmarks as even on pcs I rarely look at them but how the system and the OS work together. My problem is the rabid "revenge" some have to quickly take to show that they were right all along and OS4.1.5 on the X1000 is not even finished.

Bah...

[TheDaddy]

That's just not true.
Someone leaked a beta port for the Mac Mini years ago.

Hyperion chooses not to support affordable platforms.

And that is not true. We all know about Moana but they decided not to follow that path, I respect their decision, it's their business and their decision so there is NO OS4 for macs.

[TheDaddy]

Yes, they seem to be very good at shooting themselves in the foot.


They have been now 2 years in posession of a settlement with Amiga Inc which allows them to port freely to whichever architecture or hardware they choose(specifically mentioned in the settlement, I know because I checked), yet they don't seem to be doing anything smart with it.

That is your point of view.

[TheDaddy]

x1k is for sure not a mind blowing succes as os4 hardcore fans try suggest.

Disagree. All sold out and people asking for more so...

[commodorejohn]

And that is not true. We all know about Moana but they decided not to follow that path, I respect their decision, it's their business and their decision so there is NO OS4 for macs.

You agree that they decided not to port to affordable Mac hardware, but you don't think it's true that they choose not to port to affordable Mac hardware?

[cgutjahr]

There must have been a reason behind that decision but I don't make a big deal out of it. They decided not to go that route this is ok with me.

So comparing the x1000 to PPC Macs is not "useless chat" - it's just that you don't care? That's good for you, but why come into this thread and tell us to shut up?

don't like the X1000 then the answer is simple: "Don't buy them!" [...]
then use MOS on the mac [...]
Get yourself MOS3.0 and a mac. [...]
Because I have fun with OS4 and want it to develop further.

Your idea of "letting OS4 develop further" is to tell potential customers to "go away and use MorphOS"?

Disagree. All sold out and people asking for more so...

How many x1000 computers did they sell? 120? 140?

[TheDaddy]

You agree that they decided not to port to affordable Mac hardware, but you don't think it's true that they choose not to port to affordable Mac hardware?

From what I remember they decided not to port OS4 but I could be wrong and it's ok with me as I am still a OS4 user and quite happy
 I remember watching the Moana video and thinking it was a good idea although it could have meant direct competition with MOS and also being stuck with second hand macs.

All in all they run the OS4 show...

[commodorejohn]

All in all they run the OS4 show...

Well, obviously, but that doesn't make their decisions good.

[TheDaddy]

@chutjahr

>>So comparing the x1000 to PPC Macs is not "useless chat" - it's just that you don't care?

No. I said there are some people who are using these tests to discredit OS4 and the X1000 knowing perfectly well that the X1000 as a machine hasn't been around for long but they quickly jump on it to rip apart.

>>That's good for you, but why come into this thread and tell us to shut up?

No. See above.


>>Because I have fun with OS4 and want it to develop further.
Your idea of "letting OS4 develop further" is to tell potential customers to "go away and use MorphOS"?

Which potential customers? The same ones running the benchmarks? Please as if you'd be interested in buy "overpriced and underpowered hardware", so you are telling me that even if we find out that the X1000 is slightly slower than a mac you'd still be interested in buying it?


>>How many x1000 computers did they sell? 120? 140?

I don't know the exact number but they went within a matter of hours and more have been requested so they are not up there with mighty apple and its dodgy ways of producing hardware yet. If I were takemehomegranma instead of running weird and unnecessary parallels between Operating Systems and people starving I'd check the way those apple ipads, imac and ipods are manufactured and the conditions those workers and children have to endure so people can have a shiny iphone.

[TheDaddy]

Well, obviously, but that doesn't make their decisions good.

True. But I can not change that. I like OS4 and I need a machine to run it on. I now have a few choices. I could even say f*ck everything and stick with Win7 but I know I'd miss messing about with it.

You have watched my video of OS4.1.4 running on my SAM440ep. Well it's less powerful than a netbook but I put a quick SSD in and it transformed it. I enjoy pushing the little beast and last night I was running Quake 1 and Quake 2 at the same time, then I added Quake 3 and it started stuttering until it stopped. I would miss doing this kind of mad stuff.

Anyway I am off to finish part two of the video.

This is what really stops the Amiga from coming back...there is no unity.

Peace!

[commodorejohn]

This is what really stops the Amiga from coming back...there is no unity.

Wouldn't matter if I were unified - I simply cannot afford $3K for a computer.

[HenryCase]

Regarding the whole Moana thing, if I remember correctly Moana was a proof of concept made by ACube, not by Hyperion. I could be wrong on that, it was a while ago.

[runequester]

I don't know the exact number but they went within a matter of hours and more have been requested so they are not up there with mighty apple and its dodgy ways of producing hardware yet. If I were takemehomegranma instead of running weird and unnecessary parallels between Operating Systems and people starving I'd check the way those apple ipads, imac and ipods are manufactured and the conditions those workers and children have to endure so people can have a shiny iphone.

Slavery is freedom!

[Iggy]

Regarding the whole Moana thing, if I remember correctly Moana was a proof of concept made by ACube, not by Hyperion. I could be wrong on that, it was a while ago.

Seems unlikely as Hyperion (not Acube) controls OS4. Also, Acuibe would hardly profit by a port to Mac hardware.

BTW - Currently we're in a rut, stuck between the fixed points of view of TheDaddy and takemehomegrandma.

Frankly, I'm glad the X1000 made it to production and I'd like to see more AmigaOne boards (based on other processors).
Its not impossible that, in time, prices could come down.
And were Acube to consider slightly more powerful processors, their product line could gain some strength.

Also, Treavor has mentioned the possibility of a future board supporting both OS4 and MorphOS and I know Varisys is interested in Freescale's Qorlq line. If Hyperion and Aeon management really has separated, tyhen one of the issues that might put MorphOS developers off of cooperating with Aeon has been resolved.

In reality, I guess in closer to TheDaddy's point of view then takemehomegrandma. I'd like to see continued development of PPC systems. I have no interest in moving to X86 and would like to see a delay in considering a move to ARM until that platform develops more.

[HenryCase]

Seems unlikely as Hyperion (not Acube) controls OS4. Also, Acuibe would hardly profit by a port to Mac hardware.

It seems my memory served me well, ACube did write Moana. Here's a thread from back in the day:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29520