dnetc benchmarks

[zylesea]

And I don't see IBM going PPC in favor over POWER...

Power = ppc. There's no difference anymore since Power ISA 2.03 and ppc is the outdated name. I prefer to use it out of tradition. Nitpickingly you are right, ppc is dead. But power isn't. Neither at ibm, nor at Freescale. Freescale are using both name schemes, PowerPC and Power. I think they do it because of tradition like I am doing it.


Quote from wikipedia:

The PowerPC specification is now handled by Power.org where IBM, Freescale, and AMCC are members. PowerPC, Cell and POWER processors are now jointly marketed as the Power Architecture. Power.org released a unified ISA, combining POWER and PowerPC ISAs into the new Power ISA v.2.03 specification and a new reference platform for servers called PAPR (Power Architecture Platform Reference).

[TheDaddy]

@jorkany

>>Looks like things ARE starting to come out. This is the eventuality. Expect more as time goes on.

I love conspiracy theories

>>Of course! And monkeys might fly out of my ass.

I am starting to believe that...

[Krischan76]

and monkeys might fly out of my ass.

wat?

[wawrzon]

@jorkany

>>Looks like things ARE starting to come out. This is the eventuality. Expect more as time goes on.

I love conspiracy theories

erm, still what about your x500 case proptotype which you have announced as almost ready, just need to wait another week, wait, it was.. last spring?? once you are taking yourself seriously, no wonder you take other announcements of coresponding value seriously as well.

[minator]

Interesting opinion, but false.

Really?

Freescale - shipped low end ARM for years but have been recently been phasing out other architectures.  Yes, they are developing a high end PPC for networking but they have also licensed Cortex-A15 which will be similar performance wise.  Given the massive cost of developing CPU cores I can't see them doing anything other than die shrinks after this.

Applied Micro (AMCC) - They don't design PPC cores, they mainly license them from IBM.
They have announced a 64bit ARM for servers that is more aggressive and clocked higher than anything they have have PPC wise.

LSI - Another company doing ARM at the low end.  They had started doing PPC but they also just licensed the A15.

IBM - Go find me a PowerPC that you can actually buy as a chip that isn't a G3.
IBM don't make ARM chips but they are on Linaro's board - Linaro is a company that does ARM Linux.

No current ARM processor outperforms even the dated G5.

A high end A15 should at least equal a high end G5.

ARM is an in-order processor design

Wrong. Both the A9 and A15 are out of order.

[TheDaddy]

erm, still what about your x500 case proptotype which you have announced as almost ready, just need to wait another week, wait, it was.. last spring?? once you are taking yourself seriously, no wonder you take other announcements of coresponding value seriously as well.

It takes time and money. As you know from my bank manager, it, the money, quickly runs out that is why my pumped up SAM440ep goes under the hammer.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60650

[minator]

So I don't think it's up to misconfiguration, but rather CPU bound vs memory bound tasks. In Addition OS4 does not support the 2nd core of PA6T.

But...

Many of the benchmarks shown so far are hitting memory but none of them show any advantage over the G4.

OTOH some are AltiVec and maybe it's really fussy running that?

The memory and especially L2 benchmarks look lower than I'd expect.  My guess is the memory might be running slow and the L2 is running very slow.

Linux benchmarks should confirm it.

[kas1e]

@TheDaddy
Wawa just tryint to point, that we all can have such kind of problems, when we almost sure that something will be done, tons of problems and millions of factors arise which are stop the result. Because of that some of us found funny how other ones are believe that smp will be done 100%. Of course it possible in some form, of course Hyperion mostly do what they say, but in opposite, there is a lot of problems, resources, time and as well as from the past its wellknown that even good companies die after their good announcement about "one more week". I even not add about plans about workbench rewrite (in year 2006 or when it was said), about Nova, and whateve relse, what never come.

Thats why some of us call all that SMP fantasy: not because it can't be done, sure in one or in another form it can be done (everything possible, if only .. ) But be in hope that it will done, its already rulete. Maybe will, maybe not. Plans can keeps as plans, promises as only promises. Knowing also the current situation with all of this amiga stuff around, no one can expect that something radical will be done soon. Good if it, but i really doubt.

[Piru]

But...

Many of the benchmarks shown so far are hitting memory but none of them show any advantage over the G4.

I'd say the memory benchmarks (RageMem, STREAM benchmark) did show significant advantage over G4.

Linux benchmarks should confirm it.

You'd still need to shut down the 2nd core before benchmarking, however. Maybe some boot option...

[Iggy]

Really?

Freescale - shipped low end ARM for years but have been recently been phasing out other architectures.  Yes, they are developing a high end PPC for networking but they have also licensed Cortex-A15 which will be similar performance wise.  Given the massive cost of developing CPU cores I can't see them doing anything other than die shrinks after this.

Applied Micro (AMCC) - They don't design PPC cores, they mainly license them from IBM.
They have announced a 64bit ARM for servers that is more aggressive and clocked higher than anything they have have PPC wise.

LSI - Another company doing ARM at the low end.  They had started doing PPC but they also just licensed the A15.

IBM - Go find me a PowerPC that you can actually buy as a chip that isn't a G3.
IBM don't make ARM chips but they are on Linaro's board - Linaro is a company that does ARM Linux.



A high end A15 should at least equal a high end G5.



Wrong. Both the A9 and A15 are out of order.

Wow, before you make claims you need to research your facts.

Yes both Freescale and Applied Micro have ARM licenses (and I believe even IBM has manufactured ARM processors under contract).

Applied Micro has downplayed all their former licensed designs in favor of several new PPC families that are considerably more powerfully.
Their 64 bit ARM processor is designed to be used in clusters in the server market (not for consumer products)

Freescale has launched the e5000 core (with 1 to 4 cores) and the e6500 core (in 4 core clusters with up to 24 virtual cores).
They are 64bit designs that are much more powerful then their predecessors.  
Hardly "die shrinks" by any stretch of the imagination (although they are slated to be manufactured on a 28nm process)

IBM continues to produce the Cell BE for Sony (PPC derived) and is designing the next processor for the successor to the Nintendo Wii that merges elements of PPC architecture with elements of the Power8 family.

IBM still offers G5 level processors (which are obviously more powerful then a G3), but no further development has been done of this line because there's no large buyers.
Instead, they've focused on Cell and Power derived solutions (which are both, again, PPC related).

ALL current (and near future) ARM processors other then AMCCs server line are 32bit (rumor is that Nvidia and Microsoft have also licensed with the intent to produce 64bit processors, but no official statements have been released).
ARM at its fastest runs at 2GHz (although some may soon make it to the "high" speed of 2.5GHz). The majority are in order execution designs.
The A15 will never best a 2.7 GHz G5 Mac and newer 64bit PPCs from Freescale should be able to do that.

Finally, let me make a personal prediction. Even if Microsoft is a licensee of 64bit ARM technology, the XBOX720 is still going to contain an INM designed PPC based processor (and ATI graphic). I'd bet on it.

ARM has an interesting future, but its not there yet.

[takemehomegrandma]

@takemehomegrandma

When I thought you could not sink any lower...

I take it you didn't like my "little" rant about the different approaches of OS4 and MorphOS teams, and the *results* of them, then? At least I'm glad you didn't find any errors, that the real situation is similar to what I pictured! Now off you go and have some fun with your $3,000 meatball dish!

[takemehomegrandma]

He's been at the bottom for years (!), everyone knows that and he has been told that a million times allready.

You can even look him up in google with his real name to see, not exactly good stuff.

i can't think of a single good thing this guy has done to the community, he was even paid to slander OS4 in the early 2k's , but then again he wasn't the only one.

Was this your best shot at being a *creepy* person? :lol:

Lies, covered threats, slander, shoot the messenger if you don't like the message, so maybe he will be silent in the future? :rolleyes:

lempkee... :lol:

[TheDaddy]

I take it you didn't like my "little" rant about the different approaches of OS4 and MorphOS teams, and the *results* of them, then? At least I'm glad you didn't find any errors, that the real situation is similar to what I pictured! Now off you go and have some fun with your $3,000 meatball dish!

Not really...comparing people dying of starvation to obscure operating systems is very lame even for you.

Just so you know I don't have a £1500 meatball dish but if I did it would be more interesting and exciting than a recycled, second hand, discarded old apple product.

[kas1e]

@TheDaddy

than a recycled, second hand, discarded old apple product.

But you for first can't buy x1000 now (all those contacts-shmontacs, first-second bunches, preorders only via mails, etc), and for second its also will be second hand, discarded and old soon

[TheDaddy]

@TheDaddy


But you for first can't buy x1000 now (all those contacts-shmontacs, first-second bunches, preorders only via mails, etc), and for second its also will be second hand, discarded and old soon

Can't buy the X1000 because got sold out very quickly which tells me that the "contacts-shmontacs, first-second bunches, preorders only via mails" worked really well.

Surely it will be second hand one day but hopefully the OS4 community won't have to rely on stuff handed down the line by apple.

At the moment we are safe in the knowledge that we can buy brand new OS4 machines which are well supported by their manufacturers, see ACube for example.

[kas1e]

@TheDaddy

Surely it will be second hand one day but hopefully the OS4 community won't have to rely on stuff handed down the line by apple.

I do not know to be honest. Imho skipping supporting of already good hw (yes its old and second handed, but still its prove to be good, g4 and g5 are fine cpus) a bit irrational. I mean that for sure, x1000 can be solds over the true amiga fanatics, but what next ? Most ppls for sure will choice cheaper solutions if they firstly will come to amigaworld and just comparing available ways. But (imho again) hyperion kind of in interst to sold more copies of os4, and then, macs will help with it as well. Anyone who want "non second hand, brand new, uniq amigaos4 hw only" can by x1000 for 3000$, but those who want "second hand, old and discarded" macs for 300-500$, which kind of the same by speed if we check the benchmarks, can buy them. Bigger choice, more users, everyone win.  Fanatics can spend a lot of money to x1000, pragmatics or who can't or do not want to spend a lot of money, can spend less for macs.

For me its just sound irrational to not support macs, and i think, that the real purpose of not doing this, its that "morphos do it already". I even read somethere in the forums back in time, how one of brothers say "and new netbook are new ! not used mac hw! ". I.e. like it make any differences, while its wellknown that netbook are just old lime. Just kind of irrational, and sounds indeed like mac-mos-fobia.

At the moment we are safe in the knowledge that we can buy brand new OS4 machines which are well supported by their manufacturers, see ACube for example.

Acube for sure deserve a credit. They never hold the truth, they open, they fix their board if something going wrong, they write a drivers and release it without waiting for os updates, that all point to them as to adequate persons. Sadly we can't say the same about everything in amiga world