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Offline takemehomegrandma

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 12:37:10 PM »
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Also yes, both OS4 and Morphos has indeed used ideas based on Dopus4,Dopus Mag etc but its far from the whole package really, but then again........


You really can't group OS4's workbench together with MorphOS's Ambient in this context; they play in different leagues altogether, they are miles apart. OS4's workbench might have improvements compared to the original, but it's still "only" workbench, and maybe Magellan 2 may be useful here in the same way it was useful on MorphOS versions 1.0->1.4, but not so much in MorphOS 2.7...

From a MorphOS user's perspective, it would certainly make much more sense to add whatever feature to Ambient that you miss from the Magellan 2 WB replacement. And my question remains - what features are those exactly?
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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 12:53:57 PM »
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You really can't group OS4's workbench together with MorphOS's Ambient in this context; they play in different leagues altogether, they are miles apart. OS4's workbench might have improvements compared to the original, but it's still "only" workbench, and maybe Magellan 2 may be useful here in the same way it was useful on MorphOS versions 1.0->1.4, but not so much in MorphOS 2.7...

From a MorphOS user's perspective, it would certainly make much more sense to add whatever feature to Ambient that you miss from the Magellan 2 WB replacement. And my question remains - what features are those exactly?


You are aware of that DopusMAgellan is a Wb replacement right? , much like Ambient is, its a feature packed tool/lister for anything and everything.
I don't know if you are still stuck in 2002-4 but MorphOS has been about having AmigaOS backwards compability while OS4 went forward but i highly doubt that Morphos inner system and os calls stuff havent changed since 1.4, dopus might work allright but hardly anywhere 100%.
DopusMagellan use hardware banging stuff and is doing illegal OS calls etc.

But ofcourse, one can always say like Olaf did, it works in emulation mode, hardly the same if you ask me.


As for what features is missing in what OS etc, i can't really tell anymore as i havent used Magellan since 2002-2003 (which btw was ON MorphOS and with the hack fix).

other than that, i agree very much so on your last point, instead of porting /re doing all of DopusMAG it would be easier to just add these features to the filelisters etc we have today (may it be Workbench or Ambient etc).
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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 01:17:23 PM »
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other than that, i agree very much so on your last point, instead of porting /re doing all of DopusMAG it would be easier to just add these features to the filelisters etc we have today (may it be Workbench or Ambient etc).

How many people were working on DOpus Magellan? How may people are working on Ambient? How long did it take to develop DOpus Magellan? How many years has Ambient been around?

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It's not just about file liesters, it's the entire package, listers, panels, buttons, menus, hotkeys, double click, triple click, mouse buttons, drag and drop, qualifiers, app icons, scripting... Ambient and OS4 Workbench are much similar to each other than any of them are similar to DOpus Magellan.
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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 01:30:49 PM »
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How many people were working on DOpus Magellan? How may people are working on Ambient? How long did it take to develop DOpus Magellan? How many years has Ambient been around?
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No idea really, but i guess i could just look in the manual (Dopus Mag).
As for how long it was developed, first one came in like 1995 , not sure though, second one came a couple years later, GP Soft stopped developing in 1997 or there abouts and came out as a freebie on a Amiga magazine later on (CU Amiga or AmigaFormat.. not sure which one it was really).

Ambient has atleast been in development for 8-10 years now or so now right? (not sure anymore, time go to fast and i am getting older every day)

Fail to see your point except for that GPSoft developers probably worked full time and had money, that matters indeed but i still fail to see your point.
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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 04:48:36 PM »
Quote from: lempkee;677149
You are aware of that DopusMAgellan is a Wb replacement right? , much like Ambient is, its a feature packed tool/lister for anything and everything.


Magellan _can_ be used as a WB replacement, but you don't have to. You can use it as a separate program as well too. You can even config it to work like traditional two view file manager. But of course to get the best of it, you should run it as replacement.

Magellan2 runs still well on MorphOS2.x. Actually better than in 1.4 as the font requester doesn't crash anymore :)

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I'm still running it with the latest MorphOS too and would probably donate something for open sourcing as it would give possibility to fix small little issues and add compatibility etc.

Although Ambient has advanced a lot and it's hands down the best default desktop for any Amiga platform ever, but it still isn't up to Magellan2 in efficiency and all the features. Ambient is on good path to clone Magellan2 features, but there's still something missing, partly done, simplified (not bad thing always) or just have some technical limitations to be as good as on Magellan2.

Some features why I'm using Magellan2 still with Ambient: Magellan2's Start Menus are much better than Ambient Panels currently, integrated ftp, very versatile hotkey settings, scripts, nice arexx features, better inline editing in listers (in Magellan2 you can edit all fields like dates and protection bits), copying filenames to clipboard works better, etc.

In any case Ambient also has some new more modern features, support for modern techniques and eye candy etc, which obsoletes the option to run Magellan2 as complete desktop replacement.

But luckily both Ambient and Magellan2 can coexist just fine on the same screen with couple of 3rd party launchers. You can use whichever you want for the current task. And Magellan2's Start Menus, hotkeys etc work "transparently" on Ambient screen so that it isn't that noticeable what's the underlying program which does the job.
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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 04:49:41 PM »
Quote from: lempkee;677149
You are aware of that DopusMAgellan is a Wb replacement right? , much like Ambient is, its a feature packed tool/lister for anything and everything.


What it has to do with anything? Ambient developers have been using Magellan because they can use Magellan as their desktop while testing new Ambient builds. I don't know if anything has changed but I think Magellan still works in MorphOS 2.7.

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DopusMagellan use hardware banging stuff and is doing illegal OS calls etc.


Uh oh, what illegal OS calls?
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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2012, 04:54:03 PM »
Quote from: lempkee;677153
No idea really, but i guess i could just look in the manual (Dopus Mag).
As for how long it was developed, first one came in like 1995 , not sure though, second one came a couple years later, GP Soft stopped developing in 1997 or there abouts and came out as a freebie on a Amiga magazine later on (CU Amiga or AmigaFormat.. not sure which one it was really).

Latest versions came in 1998. Magellan2 was never given as free until in AmiKit month ago or so. Cover disk versions were pre Magellan releases, which were very immature compared to the very latest versions. In my opinion Magellan1 (5.6) wasn't mature enough to be used as complete WB replacement, but Magellan2 hitted the jackpot.

IIRC Magellan was always said to be coded cleanly by using system functions for everything...
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 05:00:06 PM by pVC »
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Offline OlafS3Topic starter

Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2012, 05:03:40 PM »
It runs with Aros 68k and Kickstart Replacement, so I do not think that it is system "unfriendly" programmed.
 

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2012, 05:24:24 PM »
It would be worth to gather some info from Andreas Loong from Guru Meditation and, possibly, continue where he stopped. I remember, back in the days when he owned the Magellan II license, he told me his team managed to port the sources to C completely (or they were very near to completion at least).

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2012, 05:46:33 PM »
i have sent a email to Andreas Loong regarding his experience. Hope the email is still valid.
 

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2012, 06:52:29 PM »
I'd love to have this for MorphOS!
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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2012, 10:59:54 PM »
@All

I got the answer of the person who licensed Magellan years ago. That the port failed was because the main programmer dropped out. They came quite far but had some problems later on because Magellan had hooks deep in the system (port to OS4). The code itself is clean and well-structured.
 

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 09:09:06 AM »
Good news. Greg (owner of DOpus) accepts A$5000 as minimum and opensource it. 99% of Code is C. Calling it "Directory Opus Magellan" on 68k but not on other platforms without prior permission.
 

Offline OlafS3Topic starter

Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 05:57:17 PM »
for those who are interested I have created a text on amigaworld for the bounty:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=34986&forum=2&start=60&viewmode=flat&order=0

feedback welcome
 

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Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2012, 08:27:29 PM »
I got a copy a while ago, since I own the Windoze version and would be lost without it. I'd happily drop some cash down on this becoming open sourced. Don't really have a need for it, though. I rarely even get into WinUAE anymore....
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Offline OlafS3Topic starter

Re: Bounty for Directory Opus Magellan II?
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 30, 2012, 09:26:53 AM »
I have the answer of GPSoft. They only want to release the source AFTER payment. I do not know if there is then still interest and I should create the bounty. What do you think? I do not think GPSoft wants to cheat us but nevertheless I do not want to take the risk for the whole sum (but of course for my donation). What do you think?