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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 01:29:54 PM »
Just to make sure; I'm supposed to hold the two buttons down before I switch the power on then switch the power on while I'm still holding them down? is this right?
 

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2011, 01:30:19 PM »
The single flash of the caps lock key is just the keyboard processor telling you that it's ok. That's a good start, but doesn't really mean much more than the keyboard has power. Another thought - are any of the pins shorting out in the monitor cable? Have you tried the RCA connectors without the monitor cable attached? A dodgy monitor cable can cause issues which affect the whole machine... And finally - is it a PAL or NTSC machine? And does your TV support which one it is?

Edit: Yes, hold them down when you turn on the power, this should bring up the early startup menu after about 10 seconds...
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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2011, 01:46:36 PM »
Sorry, what do you mean by 'shorting out'. If by that you mean are any pins touching,then no, but there are a lot of missing pins. Just tried connecting to the TV with the monitor cable unplugged but same result. I'm not atually sure about the PAL or NTSC thing, how do I determine whether the A500 is PAL or NTSC? Thanks so much for your help, its like 2.30 in the morning where I am and all I wanna do is make music on my new toy.
 

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2011, 02:55:11 PM »
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Sorry, what do you mean by 'shorting out'. If by that you mean are any pins touching,then no, but there are a lot of missing pins. Just tried connecting to the TV with the monitor cable unplugged but same result. I'm not atually sure about the PAL or NTSC thing, how do I determine whether the A500 is PAL or NTSC? Thanks so much for your help, its like 2.30 in the morning where I am and all I wanna do is make music on my new toy.
I think even if the Computer is the wrong signal type (NTSC or PAL), it should still give some kind of image on a TV...

The single RCA video output is a Composite output, make sure the TV can take that type of signal.

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2011, 03:05:09 PM »
Okay, shorting out basically means pins touching, and sometimes wires can fray internally and touch. This can prevent an Amiga from booting, or cause other issues like disabling the video output. But if you've tried it without that then that's not the issue. Yeah, maybe you should get an image if it's the wrong type, but some LCDs will just refuse to sync and therefore show nothing. I don't know an easy way of telling whether an Amiga is NTSC or PAL without looking at its output... I'm not sure where you are in the world, but I'm gonna guess Australia / New Zealand? It should be a PAL one to work with your TV system.

Was this machine sold to you as working? When was it last used? Does the A500+ have an on-board battery which might be leaking, or was it just the A500?
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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2011, 03:09:10 PM »
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I think even if the Computer is the wrong signal type (NTSC or PAL), it should still give some kind of image on a TV...

The single RCA video output is a Composite output, make sure the TV can take that type of signal.

Okay thanks, I'll do some research on my T.V. it's not particularly common but i guess you can find out about anything on the interwebs.
 

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2011, 03:16:11 PM »
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Okay, shorting out basically means pins touching, and sometimes wires can fray internally and touch. This can prevent an Amiga from booting, or cause other issues like disabling the video output. But if you've tried it without that then that's not the issue. Yeah, maybe you should get an image if it's the wrong type, but some LCDs will just refuse to sync and therefore show nothing. I don't know an easy way of telling whether an Amiga is NTSC or PAL without looking at its output... I'm not sure where you are in the world, but I'm gonna guess Australia / New Zealand? It should be a PAL one to work with your TV system.

Was this machine sold to you as working? When was it last used? Does the A500+ have an on-board battery which might be leaking, or was it just the A500?

Yup, I'm in New Zealand so hopefully my Amiga output is PAL? I admit that I bought the Amiga as is. I think it was their old family computer and he had no idea how to set it up or test it. It is an A500+, so maybe it has a leaking battery? I certainly hope not, how do I find out?
Perhaps my eagerness to get involved with Amiga's has caused me to spend 70 bucks on a dud but I really really don't wanna give up on this.
 

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2011, 03:26:01 PM »
I think my TV does support composite input, it's the standard yellow connection for video and red/white connection for audio setup. I believe that's usually for receiving composite signal from the likes of DVD players etc?
 

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2011, 03:32:41 PM »
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I think my TV does support composite input, it's the standard yellow connection for video and red/white connection for audio setup. I believe that's usually for receiving composite signal from the likes of DVD players etc?
That does all sound correct... Have you plugged it all up, turned it on and then left it for a minute or so? I don't know but, perhaps some capacitors have dried out and could take time to charge or something, I'm grasping at straws here... I think the TV connection is where you should start though :)

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2011, 03:43:15 PM »
No I haven't tried that but I definitely will, I'm all for straw clutching. I was just reading about the a500+ battery and now I'm really nervous about it having eaten away at the mobo.
 

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2011, 03:48:05 PM »
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No I haven't tried that but I definitely will, I'm all for straw clutching. I was just reading about the a500+ battery and now I'm really nervous about it having eaten away at the mobo.

The leaking battery is a very real possibility... But let's not go there until we have exhausted all other options :)

That said, it is easy enough to pop open the case and look for any signs of damage :)

-edit- just thought, the ROM chips could be loose... Might be an idea to pop the case and check the chips ;)

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2011, 03:57:30 PM »
Yep, it might be time to pop the cover off that machine and have a (careful) snoop around. If it's been sitting in an attic for years without being turned on, the battery could've started leaking, but it's easy to see if that's the case when you open it up. Capacitors can also fail after a few years, and dead capacitors usually don't do that much damage, but are sometimes hard to spot because they often look like working ones. And, as Bloodline suggested, while you're at it, reseat the ROMs and any other chips in there which might've come loose.
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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2011, 05:26:29 PM »
Bah! I guess music_liker has passed out or gone to sleep... And this thread was just getting exciting! :)

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2011, 06:17:30 PM »
I'm betting the 500 is knackered not the 1084.
 

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2011, 01:59:46 AM »
Dang! I fell asleep, How do I go about popping the hood on this thing and what sorta things am I looking out for? I can't believe I crashed out, it was about four in the morning though ha.
 

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Re: Can someone please help me
« Reply #29 from previous page: December 07, 2011, 07:09:55 AM »
So I opened the computer up today and looked round, all the chips/ram seem to be in place. I removed the battery as it had started to leak, there was a bit of blue crust around where the battery was. I have taken a few (not very good) photos of the slight corrosion crust on the mobo which I will upload soon. Other than that I don't know what to look for