Hypothetical. C= doesn't get the Amiga. Then what.

[Middleman]

Hyperion!

:roflmao:
 

I'm going to say it, the nasty four lettered vulgarities with a "U" as the second letter, I swear, I will.
 
 
Hear goes....
 
 
 
CUSA
 
There I did it.

==What a nasty taste it's leaving! You should be banned! :lol:

[CritAnime]

My view on this is that if Commodore hadn't stepped in then Atari would have ended up getting the technology. It probably then would have been butchered and used in everything they could think of, maybe even licensed out to other companies. Thats what I feel might have happened.

[_ThEcRoW]

@B00tDisk
Hey, what system is the screenshot from?. Seems like an early x11 graphic desktop.

[_ThEcRoW]

@Digiman

"Ditto for Nintendo...only Pokemon saved Nintendo in the N64 years while Sony was tearing Nintendo a new one on a regular basis for TWO console generations."

What, are you joking?.*The only advantage the psx had, was the affordable piracy of cdrs. If you search through the pile of crap titles on the psx, you could only end with a certain numbers that are really good games. The only exceptions on the psx were the games from well known companies like Konami or Capcom and the likes.
Nintendo had more things besides pokemon, just that the bashers don't try to see them.

[CritAnime]

Lets not bring the Nintendo Vs the World argument into this. I really don't want to step back in time to that argument again lol.

[psxphill]

What does C= do next?
 
Pursue the C900 and make a go at Data General's (or even Sun or SGI's) marketshare?
 
Push the C65?

C900 would have died in the market, C65 was much later.
 
The C128 stood a chance but was too expensive, it needed more chip integration to bring the cost down. Plus VIC should have been compatible with 2mhz. If Jack had been around then it would have been better.
 
In retrospect I wish Atari had gotten the Amiga as Jack might have done something good with it, but they were just too damn greedy on the share price (which was typical Jack).

[billt]

Hyperion!

Hehe, this makes me think that "Hyperion!" would make a good battlecry or something like that. Battlecry isn't the word I want, but I can't think of the right one, some term of great excitement Like how Stan Lee says "Excelsior!"...

[WolfToTheMoon]

A hypothetical C500 based on the 65816 could have been made, in place of the A500/A1000.


I think C900 was a very good product for the Unix market. I've read opinions/rumors that C= was actually considering buying Zilog outright at the time. The 16 bit Z-8000 and 32 bit Z-80000 that followed it 2 years after were very advanced designs, Z80000 being fully pipelined, though not without troubles and some design flaws at first.

With C= pricing and distribution C900 had the potential to be a winning product. I don't know which reason was given at the time for the cancellation of the C900, I simply cannot see buying Amiga as a reason enough to bin a product that was virtually developed and made for an entirely different market. Well, the usual C= chaos, I guess...

[B00tDisk]

@B00tDisk
Hey, what system is the screenshot from?. Seems like an early x11 graphic desktop.

It's Manager ("MGR") which can run on top of Coherent.

http://hack.org/mc/mgr/

...which I believe was the target for Coherent on the C900.  Could be wrong, but it is one of those things we'll likely never know.

[psxphill]

With C= pricing and distribution C900 had the potential to be a winning product. I don't know which reason was given at the time for the cancellation of the C900, I simply cannot see buying Amiga as a reason enough to bin a product that was virtually developed and made for an entirely different market. Well, the usual C= chaos, I guess...

It was unfinished and expensive. The Amiga was better & they could only afford to finish and market one.
 
The Z8000 life was pretty much over in 1985, yeah it was probably cheap but the market the C900 was aimed at wouldn't be impressed. The price thrown around is $4000, it wasn't good enough value for money.
 
If the C900 was ready to ship, then nobody told the 8563 guys as they continued their evil deeds through out the C128 project.

[persia]

I note that neither Commodore nor Atari survived the 90's.  There was a storm coming that nobody anticipated.  Apple survived by the skin of it's teeth.  There is nothing anyone without 20/20 hindsight could have done to survive.  The clone wars would even almost claim IBM, which was forced to reinvent itself as a non-pc company.

Actually without the Amiga, Commodore would have no computer to compete with the PC and would likely have thrown most of it's resources into PC clones, something it didn't do until later.  It might have survived as a clone maker had it done this.

[WolfToTheMoon]

The price thrown around is $4000, it wasn't good enough value for money.

Depends on what you compare it too. What was the price of a Unix workstation in 85'?

[Tripitaka]

Well after a little Googling I found that the SGI IRIS 2400 came in at a shocking $60,000
For it's day it was f'ing amazing however:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EEY87HAHzk

[psxphill]

Well after a little Googling I found that the SGI IRIS 2400 came in at a shocking $60,000
For it's day it was f'ing amazing however:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EEY87HAHzk

Yeah the C900 really had no market.
 
The only place I've seen a Z8000 is in the arcade version of pole position (IIRC there are two). It's not a great CPU.

[Steady]

@Persia

That is what Commodore probably would have done, but I think they wouldn't have survived unless they focused on Gaming PCs because they would always have been perceived as a company that made "toys" no matter how true (or not) that was.

[Steady]

... and gaming pcs would have been crap back then anyway ... CGA/EGA goodness ... mmmmm.