I think.........

[spirantho]

==CommodoreJohn, I know how you feel and it 'seems' that way 'that he doesn't care'. But to be fair he DOES. Otherwise he wouldn't be spending so much money and so much of his time to 'resurrect' the Commodore brand with new products and new ideas.

I think you're going to be disappointed....
the only thing Barry cares about is money, that much has been made clear several times. I know you'd like there to be new Amigas - as do we all here - but C=USA isn't the answer.

I've seen your posts on their forum and it's obvious that you really want it to be true that Barry is going to bring the Amiga back to its glory, but it's really not. A Linux is distro does not and never will have anything to do with the Amiga, no matter what sticker you slap on the box.

There are so many great REAL things happening now, with REAL Amiga systems (be they AROS, MOS or AOS 4), why waste your time with the pretenders who are just cashing in on the name?

[Middleman]

He's not resurrecting anything. He's putting bog-standard PC boards in a moderately spiffy case, loading them with a free OS that CUSA in no way contributed to the development of, tweaking the default theme to look vaguely like an electric-blue OSX, charging obscene amounts of money, and expecting to be hailed as the second coming of Jack Tramiel.
And if you think he's putting himself on the line here, you haven't looked up the definition of "limited-liability company."

==Well regardless if it is limited-liability or not, business is still business and money is still money my friend. And honestly, is what he/CUSA is doing really that bad? TBH they're no different to Dell or HP bashing a computer together from spare parts today much like Apple is doing with the Intel range of Mac Pros. We know this for a fact noone makes their own graphics chips anymore today save Intel with S3, Nvidia and AMD(ATI). And while Apple may have invested into the likes of Thunderbolt with Intel, has Apple themselves done much for the X86 architecture for Intel or the others? Nope not one iota - they're only interested in sales - so let's try to be realistic here. Most companies save the big ones are all working from pretty much the same pot nowadays (and that's no secret).

o_O If his actions speak louder than his words, and his words have spoken "I'm not asking how often you have sex, or if you have trouble performing. We already know that because we looked. I am asking what is your wife's favorite position, and does she really enjoy it?" then...wow.

==Well let's be fair here..... What I am trying to say by 'actions speak louder than words' is he IS trying to resurrect Commodore/Amiga and he HAS done this with the new Commodore range and in particular, the new C64x. Ask yourself, apart from the OS did Hyperion or Amiga Inc did anyone for that matter actually create physical hardware for Commodore or the Amiga brands (which are absolutely crucial to reviving the brands)? We're now only seeing the X1000 and the AmigaOne for example because of a long period of gestation and frustration/humming and harring (bless Trevor). But even then with it's introduction there's no guarantee x1000/AmigaOne will succeed. They're still basing themselves on tech that is over 10 years old, geared towards a 'core-set' of clients ie. you guys -which may/may not appeal to a modern software house.

And, in the Amiga community at least right now this is the problem I see....what Spirantho said earlier was absolutely true. That there is so much 'in-fighting' going on with the various Amiga brands right now. Why? Because none of us are willing to compromise. And what is this compromise? Compatibility (with other platforms that most people use, which CUSA is actually doing right now by going Intel + Linux) and coming together as a group. If we want Amiga to really come back (to appeal to its relevant markets) this is what it really needs to do. Be up to date, yet backwards compatible. Which we at least manage to 'get' with emulation via WinUAE and the Intel platform.

Think about it. If Amiga Inc/Hyperion had the least bit of sense in them (realistically), they'd make an AmigaOS that is compatible with x86 (like AROS) so that everybody can download it and is up to date with the latest features including Linux VM compatibility. It doesn't matter if it has worked on an 68k processor before, so long as everybody gets a slice of Amiga action, that's what counts right? They get the sales and money, and we get the brand revival and goods we want....so all in all everybody is happy.

But no they're not like that. They keep AmigaOS closed source. For Aros they refuse to recognise their individual contributions and bring them into the fold (to develop an X86 port), and with CUSA they give them the finger when the letters 'x86' are mentioned. How do you expect Barry & Co. who are planning an x86 Amiga to respond? They don't want to be dominated by Windows so they're FORCED to go the Linux route. Which, funnily enough, we now find (despite it not being the original intention), is providing us those very things we've been missing for so long in the Amiga scene....performance AND compatibility.

Believe it or not, Linux is perfect for a new Amiga. I say this because in my mind. Amiga was always a brand about performance (from the tech available of the time) and top performance at that - and Linux I'm now finding, will provide that for a 21st century Amiga. This is what made Amiga special in the past...superb hardware coupled with super software. If the new Amiga can't do that (and match or even exceed the speed/spec of current systems) then it isn't worthy of the Amiga name...it isn't worthy of being revived as a brand. I don't know about any one elses view, but that's my opinion...

[fishy_fiz]

While youre entitled to your opinion the key thing youre missing is that with Linux, amiga vanishes in all but name. An emulator limited to a core that the amiga base wants to see extended and advanced really offers nothing to an amiga user. Not that I dislike OS3.x or 68k, its my most used amiga platform, but this doesnt stop th amiga fan in me wanting to see it progress still, which it is doing outside of C-USA, licensed brand name or not.

Amiga, in any of its guises simply isnt linux. The amiga experience vanishes this way. Being that most amiga fans are reasonably computer literate, if they wanted a linux distro, theyd already be using an linux distro, without having to pay excessive prices on hardware.
The Mac comparison in my opinion is inaccurate. Yes, the hardware is standard x86 gear, but the experience isnt (I say this as someone who loves to hate apple as well). You buy an apple product, you get an apple product, not a rebadged Linux distro.

[spirantho]

Believe it or not, Linux is perfect for a new Amiga. I say this because in my mind. Amiga was always a brand about performance (from the tech available of the time) and top performance at that - and Linux I'm now finding, will provide that for a 21st century Amiga. This is what made Amiga special in the past...superb hardware coupled with super software. If the new Amiga can't do that (and match or even exceed the speed/spec of current systems) then it isn't worthy of the Amiga name...it isn't worthy of being revived as a brand. I don't know about any one elses view, but that's my opinion...

Saying "Linux is perfect for a new Amiga" is like saying "Bananas are perfect for a new Orange". Great, but what if you don't like bananas, and your oranges are just fine anyway thankyouverymuch?

Linux IS NOT Amiga. Never has been, never will be, and you can stick as many stickers as you like saying "Commodore" and "Amiga" on a Linux PC, it'll still be a Linux PC.

Amiga is not just a brand... what it is varies from person to person, for some it's the classic hardware, for some it's the OS, but it is not just a name. If you like using Linux, and it's filled a niche that used to be filled by an Amiga, that's great, but don't kid yourself you're still using an Amiga, you're not, you're a Linux user.

Sorry if I sound irate here, but for C=USA to barge in and call their Linux distro an Amiga is cocking a snook at all the hard work that's been done by the real Amiga users, in whatever flavour (AROS,MOS,AOS 4) that may be.

[Minuous]

Reaction isnt overly important

I hope you're joking but didn't see any smilies so I'm not sure. I guess if all you want to do is run CLI programs or obsolete/hacky GadTools/MUI stuff you could get by without it, but I know I certainly couldn't. And therefore as a consequence, for example, it is completely impossible to produce any ports of any ReAction-based software to AROS without completely rewriting the GUI, which is just not feasible in most cases. There are many other enhancements from OS3.5 and OS3.9 that are missing from AROS (and MOS and OS4 too for that matter), I can't believe this is the case but it is. OS3.9 is now 11 years old so I'm not quite sure why the delay. I understand that the sources are not available but neither OS3.1 sources (nor Windows sources and WINE manages to emulate Windows). It's somewhat analogous to if WINE only supported up to Win95.

AROS can run 68k executables seemlessly

Last time I checked it couldn't, but I'll take your word for it that it can now do this.

[yssing]

The Amiga dies when no more HW and SW are being produced for it!

So it is still alive!

My amigas still boots, I still enjoys using them, to me the amiga is alive.

[fishy_fiz]

I hope you're joking but didn't see any smilies so I'm not sure. I guess if all you want to do is run CLI programs or obsolete/hacky GadTools/MUI stuff you could get by without it, but I know I certainly couldn't. And therefore as a consequence, for example, it is completely impossible to produce any ports of any ReAction-based software to AROS without completely rewriting the GUI, which is just not feasible in most cases. There are many other enhancements from OS3.5 and OS3.9 that are missing from AROS (and MOS and OS4 too for that matter), I can't believe this is the case but it is. OS3.9 is now 11 years old so I'm not quite sure why the delay. I understand that the sources are not available but neither OS3.1 sources (nor Windows sources and WINE manages to emulate Windows). It's somewhat analogous to if WINE only supported up to Win95.



Last time I checked it couldn't, but I'll take your word for it that it can now do this.

Obsolete Mui. In the same sentence as OS3.x reaction? Now I hope it's you thats joking  
I cant think it one bit of software that I use that uses reaction rather than MUI, and Im predominantely an OS3.x user. MUI on the other hand I use constantly. IBrowse, Wookiechat, Amirc, Voyager, Scout, Scalos. I could go on and on. The only things I can think of that use reaction are a few simple preferences tools. Most of which I replace with MUI equivalents where possible anyway.

[Wayne]

I'm probably the wrong person to weigh in on the topic of the death of the Amiga, but....
 
I don't think the Amiga is dead. At least no moreso than it's been since 1994. For those who own and enjoy them, the Amiga is, and can be a fun and interesting hobby. That in itself has never changed.
 
The problem has always been "how do you maintain that level of interest in a platform which currently has -- or has vision of -- no future commercial growth or change?" It took me about 10 years to get over my rabid enthusiasm for the Amiga, and there are literally hundreds of dormant members online here from years ago who've also moved on to different hobbies.
 
Nothing wrong with that, it's perfectly natural.
 
As for me and computers, for years I saw the Amiga as potentially THE biggest step towards truly personal computing. In the 80's and early 90's, it was THE only machine which truly promoted personal creativity. The PC's were still 8 to 256 colors and kludgy as hell. Macs were still black and white.
 
Once Windows and the PC "caught up" in the mid 90's through 2000 or so, they became the mass definition of "personal computing". In 2001 however, (IMNSHO) the paradigm of creativity shifted to the Mac with Apple's move towards Intel and the OS X platform.
 
Try as I might, I could never get Bill McEwen (and the zombie PPC apocolytes) to understand that PPC was simply a complete dead-end and the wrong way to go. Not saying I'm a hero or even a good guy (I'm really not). I'm simply pointing out that for once in my sorry-assed life, I saw clearly the writing on the wall where others wanted to simply shut their eyes and chant "Amiga! Amiga! Amiga!".
 
Now going on 10 years later, I'm afraid it's simply too late for the Amiga platform to be commercially revived. Even if the "mother company" had unlimited funds, genius programmers, and the willingness to reboot the platform onto realistic commodity hardware (like Apple did when they moved to Intel), the question would still remain...
 
What would the perfect modern Amiga be able to offer the world that Apple (or anyone else) hasn't already come out with? Where's that one single huge niche market that Apple isn't already aiming for?
 
Computers? Tablets? Phones? Kiosks? TVs? Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. And... nope.
 
Don't get me wrong. I truly and honestly wish that the Amiga could have "risen from the ashes", but as long as everyone is so damned set on grasping ahold of the past (and even if they aren't), it's just not possible.
 
That being said, stop worrying about what's "dead" and just enjoy your Amiga for what it is. A fun little retro platform that you still dig and learn with.
 
Regards, and yeah, surprise!
 
Wayne

[Middleman]

Saying "Linux is perfect for a new Amiga" is like saying "Bananas are perfect for a new Orange". Great, but what if you don't like bananas, and your oranges are just fine anyway thankyouverymuch?

Linux IS NOT Amiga. Never has been, never will be, and you can stick as many stickers as you like saying "Commodore" and "Amiga" on a Linux PC, it'll still be a Linux PC.

Amiga is not just a brand... what it is varies from person to person, for some it's the classic hardware, for some it's the OS, but it is not just a name. If you like using Linux, and it's filled a niche that used to be filled by an Amiga, that's great, but don't kid yourself you're still using an Amiga, you're not, you're a Linux user.

Sorry if I sound irate here, but for C=USA to barge in and call their Linux distro an Amiga is cocking a snook at all the hard work that's been done by the real Amiga users, in whatever flavour (AROS,MOS,AOS 4) that may be.

I guess we win some and we lose some. I don't claim to be from CUSA (I am an outside customer of theirs who came here totally on my own accord) but you asked me a question earlier about why the 'CUSA camp' feels the way they do and I tried my best to express how I see it. But if that's how you feel, fair enough....I accept the fact (and your apology) that it's two different approaches. I look at it as like cooking. One chef is from the States and one chef is from France. Two totally different styles.... :big laugh:

Well whatever happens, I'm probably most interested in what is happening with the FPGA Replay. I think there is a lot of potential with it as a classic Amiga fan (and I'm dead serious lol). Coupling that with a CUSA-made case just might be the tonic we all need. :lol:

[spirantho]

I guess we win some and we lose some. I don't claim to be from CUSA (I am an outside customer of theirs who came here totally on my own accord) but you asked me a question earlier about why the 'CUSA camp' feels the way they do and I tried my best to express how I see it. But if that's how you feel, fair enough....I accept the fact (and your apology) that it's two different approaches. I look at it as like cooking. One chef is from the States and one chef is from France. Two totally different styles.... :big laugh:

Exactly, to each their own. And as long as nobody tries to tell us Amiga users that their Linux PC is an Amiga, we'll get along just fine.

Well whatever happens, I'm probably most interested in what is happening with the FPGA Replay. I think there is a lot of potential with it as a classic Amiga fan (and I'm dead serious lol). Coupling that with a CUSA-made case just might be the tonic we all need. :lol:

Now that I agree with (apart from the CUSA case ). FPGA is a very interesting field, just look at the Indivision ECS for starters!

[CritAnime]

@Middleman
Welcome. Been bad with flu otherwise I would have welcomed you sooner.

I love a CUSA bashing thread as much as the next but this is really not the thread to do it in so I am not going to really pursue it. All I will say is that there is plenty of evidence laying around this site, amigaworld.net and c-a.org (if you can work out how to get the search function to work on it) about the whole AROS thing.

But in any case moving swiftly awaaaaaayyyyyy from this lol

FPGA is a way forward with the Amiga. It's certainly cheap enough and offers enough versatility to make it a very interesting.

[commodorejohn]

And honestly, is what he/CUSA is doing really that bad? TBH they're no different to Dell or HP bashing a computer together from spare parts today much like Apple is doing with the Intel range of Mac Pros.

Except that Dell and HP aren't running around pretending to be the resurrection of something they have absolutely nothing to do with, they're just selling PCs. (And I haven't had a kind word for Apple since the Intel switch, I just don't bring it up because Steve Jobs didn't come over to amiga.org and yammer at people.)

Well let's be fair here..... What I am trying to say by 'actions speak louder than words' is he IS trying to resurrect Commodore/Amiga and he HAS done this with the new Commodore range and in particular, the new C64x.

Again I ask, how is dropping a prefab, unrelated product in a reproduction case "resurrecting?" If that's resurrection, people in the modding community have beaten him to the punch by years.

Ask yourself, apart from the OS did Hyperion or Amiga Inc did anyone for that matter actually create physical hardware for Commodore or the Amiga brands (which are absolutely crucial to reviving the brands)?

I have little interest in OS4 myself, but it takes me all of one minute to go to Wikipedia and see ten post-Commodore "Amiga" machines capable of running OS4 in their "Amiga hardware" category, going all the way back to 2002. There's also the Efika, which won't run OS4 but will run MorphOS. So...evidence suggests that's a "yes, yes they did."

And, in the Amiga community at least right now this is the problem I see....what Spirantho said earlier was absolutely true. That there is so much 'in-fighting' going on with the various Amiga brands right now. Why? Because none of us are willing to compromise.

No, the reason there's infighting is because people made it a holy war. It has nothing to do with meeting in the middle.

And what is this compromise? Compatibility (with other platforms that most people use, which CUSA is actually doing right now by going Intel + Linux) and coming together as a group. If we want Amiga to really come back (to appeal to its relevant markets) this is what it really needs to do.

No. You can take a Linux PC and slap a sticker on it if you like, but it will not change the fundamental nature of the thing. It will not make it an Amiga, because it has derived nothing at all from the Amiga. That's what Barry, Amiga Inc., and many others refuse to understand, that these names are not just all-purpose labels to stick on things to make them more salable.

But no they're not like that. They keep AmigaOS closed source. For Aros they refuse to recognise their individual contributions and bring them into the fold

I'm not defending Hyperion. Not at all. I'm just objecting to the idea that one can take two completely un-Amiga-related technologies, combine them, and then label them "Amiga!"

Believe it or not, Linux is perfect for a new Amiga. I say this because in my mind.

No. No, it's not. I've just spent way too much time trying to get into Linux, myself. And I've come away with one conclusion: I don't want anything to do with it. Let it run the servers of the world, it seems to do a fine job at that, but as a desktop OS it's horrible. UI is schizophrenic at best, configuration's lovely until it's suddenly a nightmare, drivers are only ever written for the popular hardware, and nobody in the community is much help. I don't need that. I don't want it. And I sure as hell don't want it being marketed as "Amiga."

If the new Amiga can't do that (and match or even exceed the speed/spec of current systems) then it isn't worthy of the Amiga name...it isn't worthy of being revived as a brand. I don't know about any one elses view, but that's my opinion...

This is what we don't need, this crippling inferiority complex. So many Amigans are unable to see the good in a project because it doesn't bench what their i7 box does. We don't need powerful, we need good.

[Minuous]

Obsolete Mui. In the same sentence as OS3.x reaction?

The "obsolete" was actually referring to GadTools, (and "hacky" was referring to MUI).

I cant think it one bit of software that I use that uses reaction rather than MUI, and Im predominantely an OS3.x user. MUI on the other hand I use constantly. IBrowse, Wookiechat, Amirc, Voyager, Scout, Scalos. I could go on and on. The only things I can think of that use reaction are a few simple preferences tools. Most of which I replace with MUI equivalents where possible anyway.[/QUOTE]

The opposite situations pertains here, I'm fairly sure I don't have any MUI programs installed at all except Scout.

Well, most programs that I write (AmiArcadia, MCE, etc.) use it; you must not be familiar with any of them, so I presume you don't go to Aminet often ;-) But there are hundreds of others, Aminet is your friend :-) I should also make the point that coders who want their code to be easily portable to AROS and MOS are forced to use MUI (or GadTools); they would not necessarily make such a decision if all the GUIs were available on all platforms. Therefore, this means more MUI programs than would otherwise be the case. But even if, for the sake of argument, it was 75% MUI and 25% ReAction, it shouldn't really matter, it's like saying "Only 25% of programs access the joystick, therefore there is no point supporting joysticks".

Anyway, the point was not to resurrect the ancient ReAction vs. MUI debate, the point I was trying to make is that OS3.5/3.9 have had functionality for over a decade which AROS lacks, so it's not a viable option to have an Amiga compatible OS that actually isn't very compatible at all and still lacks entire subsystems, forcing anyone wanting their programs to be portable to it to avoid using any features newer than 18 years ago. There's lots of improvements in OS3.5/3.9 compared to 3.1 and AFAICT AROS doesn't implement *any* of them.

I could write a reimplementation of OS1.0 and I could truthfully call it an "Amiga compatible OS" but it wouldn't be very useful for much. The same applies to a lesser extent to a reimplementation of OS3.1. I'm not sure why they stopped at 3.1, do they have something against H&P?

To try to get back to the main topic, I'm surprised Commodore USA didn't go for a computer with built-in UAE to run on startup, similar to a MAME cabinet in concept. Since there is a market for MAME cabinets, perhaps there would be a market for Amiga "cabinets" (cases). Not that this would appeal to me personally, but neither does what they are actually going ahead with and the market is more uncertain. Perhaps they were not able to negotiate a deal with Amino and/or Cloanto for the Kickstart ROMs.

[touringsedan]

For me, the Amiga was about creating an architecture with co-processing for audio, video and IO. In a world that seemed to rely solely on a CPU for everything.

Our classic Amiga's were so far ahead of their time, most didn't realize what they were missing.

But today, for me, an Intel System with a powerful GPU and Sound Card cannot be matched and is basically what the Amiga was aspiring to accomplish, so a well assembled PC has what we need for a new generation of Amigas.

What we are missing is a company that is willing to write an x86 Amiga OS allowing for legacy support and adding much needed updates to modernize the OS.

AROS for x86, if made to do it all could give us what we want.

If I only had the money to buy the rights back, form one company, my dreams would be to assemble the best developers and accelerate the Classic Amiga OS into the modern age using the best of x86 components today.

[fishy_fiz]

@Minuous

AROS aims for OS3.1 compatibility. Despite what many people have been saying for a long time, many people seem unable to grasp (perhaps selectively) that this doesnt mean "restricted to". There's many cases where it goes beyond anything OS3.9 (or4.x) has.
"Not very compatible at all" is a bit of a stretch simply because it lacks something that it never sought to include. You yourself indirectly mention that Reaction isnt nearly as heavily used as MUI. Additionally there actually has been a little work done on a reaction wrapper. Not to mention that there's plenty of work more important than yet another gui systems that adds only a small amount of software. None of it of any significance either (might be an exception or 2, but I cant think of any at the moment).

AROS sets out to be OS3.1 compatible, but enhanced in its own ways beyond that. It doesnt aim to be a remake of OS3.x.  Personally I see things like GTK (which aros has via gtk<->mui wrapper) as more important than reaction.

[Middleman]

Before I begin, yes hi CritAnime and thanks for the welcome.....great to meet you mate!
 

Except that Dell and HP aren't running around pretending to be the resurrection of something they have absolutely nothing to do with, they're just selling PCs. (And I haven't had a kind word for Apple since the Intel switch, I just don't bring it up because Steve Jobs didn't come over to amiga.org and yammer at people.)
 
Again I ask, how is dropping a prefab, unrelated product in a reproduction case "resurrecting?" If that's resurrection, people in the modding community have beaten him to the punch by years.
 
I have little interest in OS4 myself, but it takes me all of one minute to go to Wikipedia and see ten post-Commodore "Amiga" machines capable of running OS4 in their "Amiga hardware" category, going all the way back to 2002. There's also the Efika, which won't run OS4 but will run MorphOS. So...evidence suggests that's a "yes, yes they did."

==Yes I know, there was also the Walker. Fair enough....but the point I was trying to make was they didn't 'buy' the Commodore and Amiga brands like CUSA have and formally bring them back together and create 'real hardware' under those names. Don't you see it's important from a marketing perspective?
 

No, the reason there's infighting is because people made it a holy war. It has nothing to do with meeting in the middle.

==Yeah and it started with the guys setting fire to the cheap PC keyboards in Chester (albeit in frustration when they lost their jobs). Had they been a bit calmer then and try to come up with a real plan to save Commodore (like a management buyout) perhaps old C= might still be here...
 
As I said, it's a failure to compromise on some things that brought them into the mess. Over the years, that chief issue has become a modern CPU/change of architecture. Why oh why can't AmigaOS use x86 as a basis for a new machine now? What is the problem? Look what's happened with Apple now when they've moved over to Intel...they are thriving! Why can't Amiga do the same?
 

No. You can take a Linux PC and slap a sticker on it if you like, but it will not change the fundamental nature of the thing. It will not make it an Amiga, because it has derived nothing at all from the Amiga. That's what Barry, Amiga Inc., and many others refuse to understand, that these names are not just all-purpose labels to stick on things to make them more salable.

==I understand where you're coming from. But you also gotta understand where I'm coming from. By doing what you're saying you've also restricting yourself in saying what a future Amiga 'could be'. That it 'cannot be Linux' is really a restrictive viewpoint in my opinion. As I said earlier, the difference between a Amiga and PC in the early days was that the Amiga won because it was technically superior due to its chipset. Nowadays most chipsets are well past the performance of the Amiga, and software, OS and programming tools has also improved. Why cannot we have a 'modern Amiga' which moves along with the times with these features? Why restrict ourselves to past architecture? Has not the PC market shown to you that 'being technically superior' is what sells systems and OSes?
 

I'm not defending Hyperion. Not at all. I'm just objecting to the idea that one can take two completely un-Amiga-related technologies, combine them, and then label them "Amiga!"

==Then what do you suggest should Amiga as a brand, system and fan-base do? We know the market is ripe for the return of an Amiga and something truly worthy for gamers and such....but £1800 I feel is just too much for a machine based on old technology (X1000).
 

No. No, it's not. I've just spent way too much time trying to get into Linux, myself. And I've come away with one conclusion: I don't want anything to do with it. Let it run the servers of the world, it seems to do a fine job at that, but as a desktop OS it's horrible. UI is schizophrenic at best, configuration's lovely until it's suddenly a nightmare, drivers are only ever written for the popular hardware, and nobody in the community is much help. I don't need that. I don't want it. And I sure as hell don't want it being marketed as "Amiga."

==Well I don't think so. Mac OSX is 'essentially' Linux (albeit BSD-based) but look where after much polishing, it has gotten Apple. It is one of the top sellers now! And no Windows PC can touch it....so why can't CUSA with their version of an Amiga and a 'Commodore OS'? Or a combination of the two with a Hyperion/CUSA matchup?
 

This is what we don't need, this crippling inferiority complex. So many Amigans are unable to see the good in a project because it doesn't bench what their i7 box does. We don't need powerful, we need good.

==Yes, that I agree on principle, but good doesn't sell help machines or OSes unfortunately. Or in the case of software, allow software houses to create great games for the platform. Amiga needs support from the major software houses if it is to make a strong comeback...and you can't do that using the current hardware (unless you want them to recreate retro 16-bit games - but who's willing to do that in this day and age?).
 

What we are missing is a company that is willing to write an x86 Amiga OS allowing for legacy support and adding much needed updates to modernize the OS.
 
AROS for x86, if made to do it all could give us what we want.
If I only had the money to buy the rights back, form one company, my dreams would be to assemble the best developers and accelerate the Classic Amiga OS into the modern age using the best of x86 components today.

==That's what Commodore USA has been trying to do for the Amiga community for the past 2 years, to try to bring the community under one roof using x86 components. Except Amiga Inc. had other ideas about how AmigaOS should be used (only on Motorola CPUs and issued legal warnings to CUSA if they went Aros way) and as a result there was bad vibes received on both sides and why CUSA is now looking to Linux instead as a platform...