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Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« on: November 21, 2011, 05:47:30 PM »
I tried a guide to setup SFS on a real hard drive using winuae.

It worked in winuae but when i plugged it into my real Amiga it would only see the first partition (the bootable one). Also HD toolbox does not always load on the real Amiga.

Where have i gone wrong? I used a guide on Amiga Wiki or something like that to set it up.
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2011, 06:26:17 PM »
How big is your second partition?

If you're getting outside the 4GB system won't be recognising the size with it's default scsi.device.
So you either need to have partitions <= 4GB or load an upgraded scsi.device via loadmodule command or via Blizkick (Blizzard accelerators), RemApollo (Apollo accelerators) or via a flash solution like Deneb's flash or kickflash depending on our Amiga.

Loadmodule is the easiest solution and works just fine.
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011, 06:38:07 PM »
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How big is your second partition?

If you're getting outside the 4GB system won't be recognising the size with it's default scsi.device.
So you either need to have partitions <= 4GB or load an upgraded scsi.device via loadmodule command or via Blizkick (Blizzard accelerators), RemApollo (Apollo accelerators) or via a flash solution like Deneb's flash or kickflash depending on our Amiga.

Loadmodule is the easiest solution and works just fine.


The 2nd partition is about 4031MB. That is larger than 4GB right?

But one of the other partitions (I think the 3rd or 4th) is @ about 1.5GB and that is not seen either.

Maybe because of the 2nd partition being larger than 4GB?
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 06:38:46 PM »
What is this loadmodule and how can i use it?
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2011, 07:29:24 PM »
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The 2nd partition is about 4031MB. That is larger than 4GB right?

But one of the other partitions (I think the 3rd or 4th) is @ about 1.5GB and that is not seen either.
This isn't about the size, but where the partition is located. Anything beyond the first 4GB will not be seen unless if you patch your scsi.device.
 

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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 06:22:06 AM »
Ok so what i noticed is this. The first partition boots and works fine in SFS. The other partitions are not seen in workbench. BUT, if i set them as FFS instead of SFS they work and are seen.

I dont get it because i gave each partition the same Mask etc.. settings as the first (Which boots and works fine in SFS)
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 09:01:00 AM »
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BUT, if i set them as FFS instead of SFS they work and are seen.
Word of warning: They likely only appear to work and randomly trash anything below the 4GB.

See http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/check4gb
 

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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 09:44:15 AM »
Here are instructions how to install the needed software for big harddrives in WinUAE:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=446135&postcount=27

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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 11:06:46 AM »
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Here are instructions how to install the needed software for big harddrives in WinUAE:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=446135&postcount=27


I dont have Amigaforever.

I tried with Winuae but when i try to load loadmodule/loadmodule scsi.device it says object is not of required type.
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 01:53:49 PM »
Any ideas?
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2011, 03:29:12 PM »
More information needed. Which file is located where? What's your current directory when you enter the command?

Did you inadvertently enter loadmodule before you entered loadmodule/loadmodule? If yes, enter cd / to move back to the higher directory.

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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2011, 07:13:00 PM »
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More information needed. Which file is located where? What's your current directory when you enter the command?

Did you inadvertently enter loadmodule before you entered loadmodule/loadmodule? If yes, enter cd / to move back to the higher directory.


I unpacked the files (using windows) in the work folder and mounted it as the second hard drive in winuae.

Then in shell i went to work: and then ran loadmodule/loadmodule scsi.device
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011, 06:45:40 AM »
I need to sort this out soon coz i'm running out of space with the 170MB noisy HD that came factory installed.
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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2011, 07:53:19 AM »
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I unpacked the files (using windows) in the work folder and mounted it as the second hard drive in winuae.

Then in shell i went to work: and then ran loadmodule/loadmodule scsi.device


It is quite unpleasant to help you because you don't answer the questions and the little information you give is so unprecise that it's almost useless.

I guess you didn't preserve the directory structure when you unpacked the archives, did you?

And you completely missed the patchstrip command, didn't you? This is the most important step before loadmodule.

Quote from: dougal;668765
I need to sort this out soon coz i'm running out of space with the 170MB noisy HD that came factory installed.


This is your problem, not mine, isn't it? So why don't you put a little bit of effort into supplying the required information to help you? Or try to understand what's going on and help yourself?

Or just stay with the "keep it simple" principle. Now that you know that 4GB is the limit, you could simply stay below 4GB and all is fine. If 170 MB is what you have now and what served you for the past 10 years, 4000 MB should be overwhelmingly much and last for at least 5 or 10 years more, shouldn't it?

So if you create a 500 MB boot partition, you can install a new OS and put a backup of the old OS on it and still have more than half of the space free.

Then create a 3500 MB work partition for all the new stuff you want to install and leave the rest of the HDD alone. (Better make two 1750 MB partitions because partitions above 2GB will cause other problems you didn't even notice yet.)

All this is possible without installing patches and file systems and such. And if at some point you learn how DOS commands are entered and how the current directory and relative paths work together, you might be able to install the drivers for big harddrives without instructions. Then you can still add further partitions on the yet empty space of the HDD.

Perhaps at some point you even become interested in writing programs for AmigaOS, then you could check the developer documentation and find out yourself where the 4GB limit comes from and what is necessary to circumvent it.

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Re: Setting up SFS on a real hd with winuae??
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2011, 11:44:49 AM »
Thanks Thomas. Sorry for not describing the problem enough. I'll have another attempt at this when i get home.

I did unpack the files you said in your guide to download using WinRAR on the PC so maybe like you said the integrity might have become damaged although i never had problems before unpacking using the PC as PC is much much faster.

Will try again and post the results.

Cheers and honestly i really do appreciate your help :)
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