SSD Drive

[mrmoonlight]

Hi ,this might be a stupid question ,but will the Amiga 1200 with 32mb ram and matrix accelerator work with a SSD drive ,or sata drive ,sorry if this question has already been asked ,best wishes Brian.

[bloodline]

Hi ,this might be a stupid question ,but will the Amiga 1200 with 32mb ram and matrix accelerator work with a SSD drive ,or sata drive ,sorry if this question has already been asked ,best wishes Brian.

Has any tried one of those cheap IDE->SATA converter boards? Other than the obvious heat advantages, an SSD would be wasted, unless you mean a compact flash card which is a good idea

[mrmoonlight]

Has any tried one of those cheap IDE->SATA converter boards? Other than the obvious heat advantages, an SSD would be wasted, unless you mean a compact flash card which is a good idea

Hi ,no i do mean a ssd drive ,why do you think it would be wasted on a Amiga 1200 ?  a lightning quick hd in an Amiga ,My Amiga is already quick ,and i know theres cables to connect it ,just want to make sure i dont destroy my Amiga .

[bloodline]

Hi ,no i do mean a ssd drive ,why do you think it would be wasted on a Amiga 1200 ?  a lightning quick hd in an Amiga ,My Amiga is already quick ,and i know theres cables to connect it ,just want to make sure i dont destroy my Amiga .

The SSD would be SATA, so you would need a converter board and secondly the internal Amiga IDE would struggle to get to 2meg per second... Any modern mechanical drive can handle that, no need for a super quick SSD... The low heat output of an SSD would be advantageous though.

[mrmoonlight]

The SSD would be SATA, so you would need a converter board and secondly the internal Amiga IDE would struggle to get to 2meg per second... Any modern mechanical drive can handle that, no need for a super quick SSD... The low heat output of an SSD would be advantageous though.

Hi thanks for your help ,i see what you mean about a waste on the Amiga ,but the low heat output would be what i am looking for ,i have used a cf card and never really liked it ,i now have a 20 gb hard drive which is fitted outside the Amiga ,but sure looks a mess ,but works very well ,thanks again,very best wishes Brian,

[Duce]

You would be unlikely to ever get the maximum benefit out of SATA on the system via IDE to SATA converters, much less justify the cost of an SSD.

I've got an SSD in my SAM and love it, but I'll stick with CF adapters and SMB shares for my legacy stuff.

[mrmoonlight]

You would be unlikely to ever get the maximum benefit out of SATA on the system via IDE to SATA converters, much less justify the cost of an SSD.

I've got an SSD in my SAM and love it, but I'll stick with CF adapters and SMB shares for my legacy stuff.

Thanks for the input, the cost is not as important as how well it will work ,and how cool it will run,but i have taken on board what you have said ,and again thankyou best wishes Brian.

[DonutKing]

The A1200's onboard IDE is only PIO mode 0 (programmed input/output) with a theoretical maximum of 3.3MB/s throughput... as bloodline said, in reality 2.0MB/s is more likely.

You can get CF cards that will happily do 20 - 30 MB/s.

The latest SATA 3 drives have a theoretical 6000MB/s throughput... 2000 times faster than what the A1200's IDE controller can provide.


I think you can get a FastATA accelerator for the A1200 which offers faster PIO modes but even they only go up to 16MB/s. Still slower than what a CF card can handle.

So essentially you'll be throwing a lot of money at this, for an SSD, a SATA-IDE adapter and perhaps a FastATA, and the system will be no faster than if you'd used a CF card.

The CF card isn't what's holding you back, its the IDE interface in the Amiga.

[Ancalimon]

The A1200's onboard IDE is only PIO mode 0 (programmed input/output) with a theoretical maximum of 3.3MB/s throughput... as bloodline said, in reality 2.0MB/s is more likely.

You can get CF cards that will happily do 20 - 30 MB/s.

The latest SATA 3 drives have a theoretical 6000MB/s throughput... 2000 times faster than what the A1200's IDE controller can provide.


I think you can get a FastATA accelerator for the A1200 which offers faster PIO modes but even they only go up to 16MB/s. Still slower than what a CF card can handle.

So essentially you'll be throwing a lot of money at this, for an SSD, a SATA-IDE adapter and perhaps a FastATA, and the system will be no faster than if you'd used a CF card.

The CF card isn't what's holding you back, its the IDE interface in the Amiga.

What about the SCSI kit with Blizzard 060  or the SCSI3 port of CyberstormPPC? How would an SSD perform there?

[bloodline]

what about the scsi kit with blizzard 060  or the scsi3 port of cyberstormppc? How would an ssd perform there?

scsi ssd?

[mrmoonlight]

The A1200's onboard IDE is only PIO mode 0 (programmed input/output) with a theoretical maximum of 3.3MB/s throughput... as bloodline said, in reality 2.0MB/s is more likely.

You can get CF cards that will happily do 20 - 30 MB/s.

The latest SATA 3 drives have a theoretical 6000MB/s throughput... 2000 times faster than what the A1200's IDE controller can provide.


I think you can get a FastATA accelerator for the A1200 which offers faster PIO modes but even they only go up to 16MB/s. Still slower than what a CF card can handle.

So essentially you'll be throwing a lot of money at this, for an SSD, a SATA-IDE adapter and perhaps a FastATA, and the system will be no faster than if you'd used a CF card.

The CF card isn't what's holding you back, its the IDE interface in the Amiga.

  Oh it does not look good ,if the cf card is faster ,i am only against the cf card because i could not get the cd player to work along side it very well,but after saying that i knew very little of the Amiga at that time ,so perhaps i may try again ,knowing a little more ,,best wishes Brian.

[DonutKing]

A quick google suggests that the Blizzard 1260 SCSI controller can only provide 20MB/s throughput, and the Cyberstorm PPC SCSI-3 can only do 40MB/s.

Still much faster than the stock A1200 but these cards are pretty damn expensive, you'd still need to buy a SCSI-SATA adapter, and it would still only provide less than 10% of the maximum bandwidth of SATA3.

[Piru]

The latest SATA 3 drives have a theoretical 6000MB/s throughput.

No they don't. The SATA 6 Gb/s max is roughly 600MB/s. Lets not mix bits and bytes, okay?

[DonutKing]

you are correct... a simple mistake on my part. The point remains however

if you really want to be a pedant, 6 gigabits is actually closer to 750 megabytes

[NovaCoder]

Has any tried one of those cheap IDE->SATA converter boards? Other than the obvious heat advantages, an SSD would be wasted, unless you mean a compact flash card which is a good idea

Yep I tried it (because I'm a bit crazy).   I didn't get very far, I also tried it with both a FAST-ATA and an IdeFixExpress.

The problem is that the SATA SSD drive is not visible to the system using the standard 3.1 ROM, it's only after booting that you can load the newer drivers and use the drive.   So basically, you can use them as a second drive (with a secondary interface) but you can't use them as a boot drive.

I settled on a nice neat solution for my 1200, I've now got a SSD 16GB module directly mounted on an IdeFixExpress (4.6 MB/s).