New Mesa/Nouveau brings support for Fermi cards to AROS!

[HenryCase]

Actually it has been worked on already, at least in part. I haven't heard anything about it for some time however.

Work on OpenCL on Gallium3D is still progressing, last commit was only 4 weeks ago:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~steckdenis/clover/

Phoronix.com is probably the best place to read about updates to Gallium3D, here's a OpenCL on Gallium3D news story from a couple of months back:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTgwOQ

HTH.

[Crumb]

But there are Macs with Nvidia cards and you definitely don't need PCI Express to mount GeForce FX card, nor you need PCI Express for GeForce 6 and 7 carda, since there are (have been) AGP models available.

But it's quite easy to find supported models with Radeon cards. And tower models can use AGP/PCI*Radeons so exchanging the gfx card is not such a big problem.

I can bet this will change the day MorphOS will be able to support Radeon HD and GeForce cards too.

If by "this" you mean "this hobby" I'm sure it wouldn't change much even if we had support for latest cards. No Amiga solution will ever be a "serious" alternative to Windows or even Linux.

2D support for RadeonHD is not such a big deal as 2D part seems to be more or less similar to previous versions. Initializing it through ATOM-Bios is relatively easy (although I don't know what is used on Mac). 3D part on R400 and R500 models is AFAIK an evolution of R300 part so if very good R300 support is developed R400 and R500 drivers will have a good basis.

Many MorphOS users have a Mac Mini G4 with Radeon9200 and many more will have Powerbooks with R9700. These are the chipsets that matter right now because these can't be exchanged. Next MorphOS release 3D drivers for Mac Mini are so optimized that will probably match ATI developed ones in performance. I'm typing right now from a Mac Mini so R9200 is the chipset that I care for. R9700 is inside the powerbook next to me waiting for MorphOS and that's the 2nd chipset I care for. Powermacs? I don't think I get one but If I did I could survive with a Radeon9800.

Are you KIDDING or what?

I'm not, as I have explained above high quality R200 and R300 support is more important than supporting R400 or R500 because most of MorphOS users will need R200&R300 and not later models.

I'm not concerned about Warp3D performance at all because Warp3D games used to fly even on old A4000 with CSPPC. Most are designed for Permedia2/Voodoo3. These games fly on my humble Efika so I don't know what's the fuss about that. Quake3 and Wolfenstein already run reasonably fast on my Mac Mini (and don't use Warp3D at all).

[kolla]

Oh, that's what you are going on about.

Well graphic cards are pocket change anyhow, and besides, I don't think any of us MorphOS users are having any issues with our ATI cards. It's not any of us are trying to play Half-Life 2 or anything.

I have issues, have not been able to easily obtain working low profile card for my pegasos, it's a hit and miss archeology game on ebay. Kinda given up on the whole thing.

[XDelusion]

I have issues, have not been able to easily obtain working low profile card for my pegasos, it's a hit and miss archeology game on ebay. Kinda given up on the whole thing.

Did you check for help on MorphOS Zone?

[Crumb]

I have issues, have not been able to easily obtain working low profile card for my pegasos, it's a hit and miss archeology game on ebay. Kinda given up on the whole thing.

That sounds like a bad excuse, it's really easy to find radeon 92x0 low profile models, even on ebay.no:
http://search.eim.ebay.no/?kw=radeon+9250&ect=&elc=92&eb=S%C3%B8k

[kolla]

That sounds like a bad excuse, it's really easy to find radeon 92x0 low profile models, even on ebay.no:
http://search.eim.ebay.no/?kw=radeon+9250&ect=&elc=92&eb=S%C3%B8k

Noticed how those do not fit into the AGP slot of the Pegasos?

[Iggy]

3D part on R400 and R500 models is AFAIK an evolution of R300 part so if very good R300 support is developed R400 and R500 drivers will have a good basis.
 
 
I'm not, as I have explained above high quality R200 and R300 support is more important than supporting R400 or R500 because most of MorphOS users will need R200&R300 and not later models.
 

Personally, I have both R300 and R400 cards that will work in my Quicksilver.
I'd like to see the later.

[Argo]

Ha ha ha...

I should really watch what I say and how I say it. I didn't mean to turn this into a MorphOS vs Aros debate.

You need to learn when you are trolling and not do that.

[Crumb]

Noticed how those do not fit into the AGP slot of the Pegasos?

I never had an AGP card that couldn't fit in my Pegasos. I used 2 Radeon9100 full size, 2 low profile Radeon 9250, 1 Radeon7500 low profile, 1 Radeon 7000 low profile, Voodoo3500... never had any problem

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=radeon+9200&_sacat=0&_odkw=radeon+9250+low+profile&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313


and here there are tons of low profile ones:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=radeon+9200+agp&_sacat=0&_dmpt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&_odkw=radeon+9200&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

I think it's really easy to find NEW Radeon low profile cards compatible with Pegasos but I guess it's easier to complain in public forums

PS: If it's so problematic to find one I can sell you a low profile R9250/128MB AGP that fits perfectly on Pegasos1 with odw-like case.

[Iggy]

Can the Pegasos use AGP8X cards like the Radeon 9800 or one of the R400 based cards?

[Crumb]

Can the Pegasos use AGP8X cards like the Radeon 9800 or one of the R400 based cards?

AFAIK it depends on voltages supported by the card. Some 9800 cards work, some doesn't. Check out morphzone to see if somebody had one and can tell you brand&model.

R400... I don't think these are supported in MorphOS yet even in 2D. The most modern core publicly shown is Radeon x600 PCIexpress on iMac G5, and that uses a R300 core.

[Iggy]

AFAIK it depends on voltages supported by the card. Some 9800 cards work, some doesn't. Check out morphzone to see if somebody had one and can tell you brand&model.

R400... I don't think these are supported in MorphOS yet even in 2D. The most modern core publicly shown is Radeon x600 PCIexpress on iMac G5, and that uses a R300 core.

Yeah, I talked to Frank about the R400 several months ago. At first, we weren't even sure that R400 based cards would work in a G4.
I re-flashed a FireGL X3 with a Mac X800XT BIOS and taped over pins 11 & 3 on the back side of the connector and when installed in my Quicksilver it works fine under OSX.
So we can assume that re-flashed PC video cards (R400) could be supported by MorphOS (even without G5 support).