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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #59 from previous page: October 03, 2011, 11:53:28 PM »
Quote from: portarinos;662372
I'm the one that sold him the card. I've been trying to help snoozy install the card and enjoy every bit of it (as i did with it, which means that the card was and still is working) via PM over Amibay. I suspect that the problem lies in the motherboard revision. it is highly possible that he'll need the PCMCIA reset fix in case he has a moterboard that refuses to collaborate with the card.

So, please inform us about the motherboard revision and we'll see what happens.

 I also strongly believe that for the card to be recognized easily he should at least soft kick rom 3.1 or even better buy a pair and install it. I remember that with an A1200 that had rom 3.0, I had to play around a little bit in order for the card to be recognized.

We'll stay in touch m8.

I believe the card should still be recognized regardless of motherboard revision, just the motherboard needs mods if it has stability issues.

The PCMCIA reset is to fix (entirely different) issues with PCMCIA cards not resetting properly on boot. Can't remember if it is cold or warm boot, but it does not matter because its not relevant the the ACA not being recognized.

I would recommend bending the metal RF shielding all the way back and to make sure that you did not damage any traces on the accelerator.

Read carefully what Jens says concerning the timing mod : "Only remove them if you really have stability problems.  By removing them if you don't have any problems, you're likely to introduce timing issues. In other words: If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

stability problems - you'd to have the ACA recognized in order to know if you have stability problems :0

At any rate, here is the A1200 timing info:

ACA specific info:

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=726765&postcount=1359

here is something on general A1200 fixes for 040/060:

http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/A1200_Mobo_fix/a1200_mobo_fix.html

Good luck :)
« Last Edit: October 04, 2011, 12:16:53 AM by bbond007 »
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2011, 07:08:11 AM »
Yes right, I meant Timing fix, my mistake. I still believe that this could be a problem as reported by many users. I had issues with a certain motherboard revision which I don't quite remember right now. Snoozy hasn't yet posted which revision is his mobo and I think this cold give us a clue.
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2011, 08:24:51 AM »
Hi yep soz i should have posted that way earlier :afro:
 
my mobo is 2B
 
 
 
what a saga :(
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2011, 08:56:14 AM »
Sorry, I cant really offer any suggestions here as Ive never owned an ACA card. It does sound like more of an ordeal than it should be. Ive never owned an accelerator that didnt just work when plugged in. Not to speak ill of efforts for new classic amiga hardware, but yours isnt the 1st problem Ive heard of for the ACA '030 cards. Having said that though Ive heard plenty of good reports too.

Hope Im mistaken, but so far this sounds a little worrying. The hardware simply shouldnt behave like this. From the contents of the thread thus far Id be inclined to think maybe you got a bad card. Or if the card isnt the problem then my next guess would be the trapdoor connector of your a1200 (although this seems less likely if it was a NOS a1200).

Anyway, good luck with resolving it, and I hope Im wrong with my assumptions, but by now Id be starting to think about returning the card for a new one.
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2011, 10:29:32 AM »
Please don't jump to quick conclusions since you don't really know anything about it. The card has been working flawlessly in my hands one week ago so we should rule out the fact that the card is faulty!! Snoozy lacks some basic amiga knowledge and I'm trying to help him via PM (on Amibay) with every possible detail. It's highly possible that his mobo doesn't cut the butter with ACA but everything is fixable.
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2011, 11:01:05 AM »
The ACA cards are so tuned for performance that in some cases timing fixes are needed on A1200 mobos if they aren't there by default.
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2011, 11:05:13 AM »
Ok so it seems i need timing fixes for my 2B mobo? :hammer:
 
Who can help me with this?
 
(I have no reason to believe there are any probs with the card and i have handled it with due care and it still looks immaculate)
 
How about if i buy and install the 3.1 rom chips, will this solve the problem??
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2011, 11:10:01 AM »
I sent my mobo(s) to Amigakit for timing fixes. Also I'd recommend you upgrade to 3.1 ROMs anyway besides for ACA to work more nicely.

EDIT: and no, the 3.1 ROMs themselves don't fix the timing issues with an ACA.
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2011, 11:50:58 AM »
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Ok so it seems i need timing fixes for my 2B mobo? :hammer:
 
Who can help me with this?
 
(I have no reason to believe there are any probs with the card and i have handled it with due care and it still looks immaculate)
 
How about if i buy and install the 3.1 rom chips, will this solve the problem??


Show us a (decent) picture of the card installed in your motherboard, that might help.
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2011, 01:27:27 PM »
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Sorry, I cant really offer any suggestions here as Ive never owned an ACA card. It does sound like more of an ordeal than it should be. Ive never owned an accelerator that didnt just work when plugged in. Not to speak ill of efforts for new classic amiga hardware, but yours isnt the 1st problem Ive heard of for the ACA '030 cards. Having said that though Ive heard plenty of good reports too.


The timing problem is not specific to ACA acclerators, but also effects 040 and 060 accelerator. I think it may be more common with Apollos.

Anyway, the timing mod affects STABILITY. From everything I have read the timing mod is not necessary for card to be recognized...

I would suggest the following:

Remove the top of the 1200 and loosen all screws that hold the motherboard to the bottom of the case (including the ones by the floppy).

This is completely optional but now would be a good opportunity to CHECK (not remove) surface mount components E123C and E125C to see if they are populated. You will have to remove the bottom RF shielding which requires removing all the little screws by the ports. Hopefully you have a suitable tool for that. I used a small socket. FYI: My NOS 1B.4 (From Amigakit) came with the correct configuration requiring no mod.

Bend the portion of the RF shielding over the trapdoor expansion up.

Clean A1200 contacts and inspect for damaged traces on the ACA. Look for any surface mount components that may be missing.

Insert the ACA and make sure it sits flush and not at an angle. My Typhoon sits at a slight angle still but adjusting the motherboard did make it much better.

Power the machine on and check with showconfig if the CPU says 030.

if so, Re-tighten the screws to the motheroard.

Power the machine on and check with showconfig if the CPU still says 030.

Finally, assemble the working A1200.



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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #69 on: October 04, 2011, 01:31:15 PM »
I will see about taking a photo in the next couple of days..
 
It seems others have had the same probs with this ...
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HOORAH!!!! E123C & E125C removed this morning and A1200 has been running for over 4 hours with ZERO lock-ups! Thanks FOL, thanks AmigaKit, thanks Jens!

I am one happy bunny." Thats a quote from here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=55059&highlight=timing&page=38
 
But my question is did these people have their card work (even momentarily) as mine doesn't even appear to register with the a1200
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2011, 03:56:54 PM »
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HOORAH!!!! E123C & E125C removed this morning and A1200 has been running for over 4 hours with ZERO lock-ups!
YEAY!!!!
 
Quote from: Snoozy;662423
But my question is did these people have their card work (even momentarily) as mine doesn't even appear to register with the a1200

I have to admit, yours is the first one I've read about that wouldn't do anything with the card installed.
From what I remember reading before, the fix was for stability.  Glitchy graphics, random crashes.  Not that the 1200's wouldn't see the card...

So yours presented a bit different....

You're special!  Don't you feel lucky!!  :roflmao:

Glad it's working!!

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2011, 04:54:05 PM »
:roflmao:no i was quoting some one else!!!!!!!
 
Mine is still as dead as a do-do!!!!!
 
Help!!!
 
I will try what bond has recommended in the meantime, maybe my a1200 needs to go in intensive care?:)
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2011, 06:26:47 PM »
Ok  guys i thought i'd let you know straight away that i have taken my a1200 completely apart and finally the metal shielding is off (yes novacoder i hope to see it melted down!) and the card is WORKING!
 
So i think one of my main problems was getting the card fully engaged on the a1200 board slot - this is pretty difficult to do (especially if you are being gentle with the card) whilst the mobo is still screwed down. Once u got the mobo in one hand and the card in the other its so much easier - i had the card fully enaged and initially..nothing..i switched off and move back a touch and suddenely the menu bar at the top of wb says 55,000,000 memory:)
 
Bond thank you :) your suggestion was most logical and correct so it seems..
 
Stability tests to follow..
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2011, 06:38:34 PM »
Congrats. Glad to hear you got it working :)
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2011, 06:59:35 PM »
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no i was quoting some one else!!!!!!!
 Mine is still as dead as a do-do!!!!!

Oh sorry..

Quote from: Snoozy;662442
and the card is WORKING!

Yeay!..

er.. wait.. are you quoting again??  :-)

Yeah, the fitting of that card is a bit tricky....

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