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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2011, 09:23:57 PM »
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Remember workbench? Well forget about it because we can't use the name any more. So get ready for Commodore OS. Linux that we are gonna skin to me you feel like we aren't rehashing it for our purposes.

Remember Amiga? Well we kind of have the rights to use the name in order to sell you expensive crap. So get ready for our range of $2,000 - $20,000 "prosumer" computers. Aimed at giving you nothing that Dell and others already can for cheaper!

And coming soon. Our all new range of Commodore Amstrad CPC computers. Aimed at making sure your childhood memories are well and truly mangled for the rest of your lives!

Order now and we will give you your very own Dammy. Who will argue the toss with you on our forums when something doesn't go right. Absolutely free.

Now that's 30 million well spent.

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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2011, 10:11:10 PM »
Barry is taking his bat and ball home.

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While I appreciate your heartfelt concerns for CUSA, it's marketing and pricing plans, cost analysis and other areas of the business, this is not the forum for addressing your concerns and comments. It has been posted previously that Commodore-Amiga.org is a forum to explore and discuss our products, applications, member help and others areas of interest that would help the members enjoy and utilize our products. It IS NOT a forum to ridicule, second guess, deride and generally troll, with the intent to scutinize the business decisions of the company. There are many other forums that have attained a high degree of expertise in this area, and my suggestion is to join them in their discussions. This forum is visited by not only potential customers, but others who may now, or in the future, have an interest in developing relationships with our company. Fell free to call, PM, email or telepathically connect with me anytime. But the continued banter regarding what you either don't like, don't agree with, can't afford, etc etc, has no purpose or effect on what finally becomes reality. If this is not the product you want, don't buy it. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you feel that strongly about your ability to create, then create. But please, enough is enough already. I got your point.

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/8551-phone-call-with-barry?limit=15&start=60#8697

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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2011, 10:25:16 PM »
I'm feeling a whole lot better about the expense of the X1000 now ;-)
 

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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2011, 10:29:52 PM »
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While I appreciate your heartfelt concerns for CUSA, it's marketing and  pricing plans, cost analysis and other areas of the business, this is  not the forum for addressing your concerns and comments. It has been  posted previously that Commodore-Amiga.org is a forum to explore and  discuss our products, applications, member help and others areas of  interest that would help the members enjoy and utilize our products. It  IS NOT a forum to ridicule, second guess, deride and generally troll,  with the intent to scutinize the business decisions of the company.  There are many other forums that have attained a high degree of  expertise in this area, and my suggestion is to join them in their  discussions. This forum is visited by not only potential customers, but  others who may now, or in the future, have an interest in developing  relationships with our company. Fell free to call, PM, email or  telepathically connect with me anytime. But the continued banter  regarding what you either don't like, don't agree with, can't afford,  etc etc, has no purpose or effect on what finally becomes reality. If  this is not the product you want, don't buy it. If you can't afford it,  don't buy it. If you feel that strongly about your ability to create,  then create. But please, enough is enough already. I got your point.

Earth to Barry: if you set yourself up as the Great Resurrector of Commodore and you don't have a clue what the Commodore community wants, don't care, and can't deliver a quality product anyway, you're going to get shot down. Plugging your ears and going "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAAR YOUU!" isn't going to change that.
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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2011, 11:50:51 PM »
Maybe what bothers me more it's their attitude:
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Hi Melted....
What were you expecting the new Amiga's to sell for? What did you expect it to contain???
That is written by a staff member. Notice the usage of '....' and '???'
Onions have layers ...
 

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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2011, 12:18:21 AM »
If they don't want to listen, so be it. The market will decide. I suggest they build lots of these high end machines before getting any buyers, to get the maximum out of this useful lesson!
 

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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2011, 12:48:39 AM »
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Maybe what bothers me more it's their attitude:
That is written by a staff member. Notice the usage of '....' and '???'


The guy even tells Barry what he wants from the Amiga range and Barry just shoots him down and completely ignores what he says. I really hope that the site is caching on google on a regular basis. Cos all this stuff will be recorded.

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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2011, 01:43:50 AM »
What an idiot. Doesn't have a clue about any of the markets he's tried to take on, expects that that utter deficiency of knowledge will be compensated for by the magical nostalgia power of a trademark that's been revived and died again half a dozen times before he even got here, ignores and insults anyone and everyone who offers their insight into what people might actually want, sulks when people point out design issues in his product until he's finally forced to give in and fix them, pouts like a baby when meanies on the Internet say mean things about him...he deserves whatever collapse CUSA eventually suffers and more.
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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2011, 01:50:03 AM »
Here's the bit that concerns me:

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This forum is visited by not only potential customers, but others who may now, or in the future, have an interest in developing relationships with our company.


How many of you know about the various quasi-legal pyramid schemes that roll out in the USA every few years?  Favourites are the Emu Breeding scheme and the Alpaca Scheme.  See this link for details:  http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Telemarketing/Outbound/Major/Investments/wacky.htm

They involve setting up what looks like a reputable business and then convincing people to invest in it for a certain financial gain.  By the time the truth comes out (that there is no market) the people behind it move on to something new and take the cash with them.  These are not "classified ad" scams, they actually involve a lot of money and run real adverts on actual TV stations.

So, let's say I wanted to do a similar scam...

Phase 1:
Set yourself up a company and make it an LLC, for example "MY COMPUTERS LLC".

The reason you use an LLC is because in the USA it stands for "Limited Liability Company" and anybody that attempt to sue you can only sue the company for the assets of the company.  This protects the actual assets of the business owner (his home, his car, his personal bank account, etc) and his family.

Phase 2:
You need to identify a market, produce eye catching stock and advertise in reputable channels to quickly establish yourself as professional business with good connections.  Push your upcoming products on as many media sites as possible so that anyone doing a search for your products or company will find multiple hits.

Phase 3:
Sell some of your wares and build up additional advertising demonstrating that sales have been made and repeatedly state that demand is outstripping production.  Post fictitious sales figures, sales projections and perhaps even some fake shots of the production facilities.  All of these things will pop up for anyone doing some quick online research.

Phase 4:
Look for small investors.  This works a bit like McDonalds where other people set up the business and are then trapped into purchasing their stock from a single supplier.  In this case you have multiple people invest their own money to open up "mom & pop" shops to sell your underpowered and heavily over-priced equipment.  As you are selling the equipment to them and ordering it from a third party based on demand, you are at no financial risk and it is up to the investor to actually find customers.

Phase 5:
Look for big investors.  Now you point to your "extensive product line" (from 3rd parties) and your staggering global distribution outlets (the poor buggers trying to sell your overpriced goods) and don't forget to mention your own production facilities (the ones that actually belong to the people producing the goods for the 3rd party companies you buy your stuff from).  If you're going to claim to be fighting the big boys then you might want to make wild claims like having developed your own Operating System and make sure that nobody finds out that it is actually a rebadged free OS that you ahve nothing to do with.

Phase 6:
Pocket all of the investment money you can and make sure you pay top prices and salaries to yourself, family members and the shell companies you've set up as "middle men".  When the scheme finally collapses, the LLC has no cash assets, the offices turn out to be rented, the staff are all temps and there is nothing left for the investors to recover.

Alternatively, you could open up an LLC and make novelty computer case and hope you sell millions of them just like C=USA.....
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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2011, 02:46:47 AM »
It makes me laugh that he is quick to call others trolls yet he is just as responsible for the vitriol himself. I am enjoying watching all this as it's certainly more entertaining than X-Factor or Strictly Come Dancing combined. He has an unnatural knack for twisting what ever someone says on it's head, spinning it then spewing it back out to try and make them look like they are in the wrong. All this could easily be avoided by simply giving people more info. But we all know that this would probably be more made up than the stuff on the Jeremy Kyle show. His latest rantings only go to show that he really can't handle criticism. I hate to imagine what he would be like with a company like Apple, where every time they release something new there is an army of people waiting to rip it to shreds.

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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2011, 03:32:57 AM »
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It makes me laugh that he is quick to call others trolls yet he is just as responsible for the vitriol himself. I am enjoying watching all this as it's certainly more entertaining than X-Factor or Strictly Come Dancing combined. He has an unnatural knack for twisting what ever someone says on it's head, spinning it then spewing it back out to try and make them look like they are in the wrong. All this could easily be avoided by simply giving people more info. But we all know that this would probably be more made up than the stuff on the Jeremy Kyle show. His latest rantings only go to show that he really can't handle criticism. I hate to imagine what he would be like with a company like Apple, where every time they release something new there is an army of people waiting to rip it to shreds.


It does make you wonder why they just couldn't have come out initially and said "We're going to bring you a line of Commodore PCs running either Windows 7 or Linux and pre-configured with some free classic emulation software".

Nobody would have grumbled about an Intel Atom machine called a  "Commodore 256" running Linux or a i7 quad-core called a "Commodore 512" running Windows 7.
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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2011, 03:33:24 AM »
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How many of you know about the various quasi-legal pyramid schemes that roll out in the USA every few years?
Well that was an enlightening read. I'm not going to jump right to that conclusion, since Barry is so transparently inept as a computer-manufacturer CEO that I can't see anybody investing in his venture (and I still maintain that the Disney "partnership" was bought,) but it is telling that they've spent so very much effort on trying to convince people that they're a Serious Company, Dammit...
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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2011, 03:38:49 AM »
It's the stuff on their facebook page too. The images of them jetting away and the rather odd message about keeping jobs in America. Yet he went to South America and Mexico for a factory.

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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2011, 03:44:51 AM »
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Well that was an enlightening read. I'm not going to jump right to that conclusion, since Barry is so transparently inept as a computer-manufacturer CEO that I can't see anybody investing in his venture (and I still maintain that the Disney "partnership" was bought,) but it is telling that they've spent so very much effort on trying to convince people that they're a Serious Company, Dammit...


The Disney thing was purely a case of buying advertising space.  Disney have as much to do with making Commodore computers as they do with making Canadian computers, light bulbs and popular fizzy drinks.  :D
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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2011, 03:45:32 AM »
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It's the stuff on their facebook page too. The images of them jetting away and the rather odd message about keeping jobs in America. Yet he went to South America and Mexico for a factory.


... and his CTO is in Australia!  :D
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Re: CUSA Amiga range will cost up to $25,000
« Reply #59 from previous page: September 25, 2011, 03:53:02 AM »
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It's the stuff on their facebook page too. The images of them jetting away and the rather odd message about keeping jobs in America. Yet he went to South America and Mexico for a factory.


He didn't say which America ;)