Zune for all platforms

[jj]

So what you are describing is re-inventing the wheel again , and branching out past MUI4.
 
Shouldn't MUI set the pace its been the dipso facto standatrd on amigalike OSs for quite some time now.
 
Is this a jelaousy thing, because MorphOS has MUI4 and everybody else stuck in the past?
 
Is there some agreement between MorphOS and MUI dev that MUI4 can not be used on AOS4 or AROS?

[takemehomegrandma]

Is there some agreement between MorphOS and MUI dev that MUI4 can not be used on AOS4 or AROS?

Of course the MUI API can be re-implemented (just like the Amiga API was re-implemented on MorphOS)...

[HenryCase]

Is there some agreement between MorphOS and MUI dev that MUI4 can not be used on AOS4 or AROS?

Not in those exact words, but pretty much, yes.

Besides, why hold yourself back with closed source solutions (which mean waiting for permission for a port), when the possibility exists to have the improvements we want without the politics?

[nicholas]

Wasn't there some talk of porting Zune to Linux at some point?

That would be great as being able to recompile MUI apps to run natively on Linux would open up a whole new world of opportunities.

[HenryCase]

Wasn't there some talk of porting Zune to Linux at some point?

That would be great as being able to recompile MUI apps to run natively on Linux would open up a whole new world of opportunities.

Zune actually started out on Linux IIRC. The port hasn't been maintained though.

[billt]

Wasn't there some talk of porting Zune to Linux at some point?

Interesting idea. I'm looking at wxWidgets for AmigaOS (Thanks to AmiCygnix too!), and the thought of the reverse crossed my mind as well, to port Amiga apps on other wxWidgets platforms and have them look as native there as possible. (biggest benefit imho between wx and qt/gtk/etc is that wx intends to have an app look native on every OS it supports, not to look like you're running a qt app on MS Windows etc.) How beneficial is that? Not sure, if the Linux/Windows/etc peeps will be super excited, but it's an easy thought to think about anyway.

Anyone that does do a Zune/MUI/Reaction/whatever to other platforms, consider wrapping to wxWidgets on those platforms to maximize how many you get to without looking weird on them.

[itix]

Zune actually started out on Linux IIRC. The port hasn't been maintained though.

Yes it indeed was but author gave up soon after releasing it to the public.

http://www.reocities.com/SiliconValley/park/3883/zune/snaps/z0115.html

[nicholas]

Zune actually started out on Linux IIRC. The port hasn't been maintained though.

Yes it indeed was but author gave up soon after releasing it to the public.

http://www.reocities.com/SiliconValley/park/3883/zune/snaps/z0115.html

Thanks, my memory isn't as bad I thought!

[kolla]

Sheesh, why did I unignore you...

1. Not having a proper MUI re-implementation would affect Amiga compatibility in a very negative way (as it already does), making it more difficult to develop- or port applications for all 4 platforms, instead of easier (which seems to be the spirit of this bounty). MUI is the common denominator.

No it is not, stop fooling yourself (and others). MUI _could_ be common denominator, but with its current licensing, that is just not possible.

2. Since time and effort has to be spent on development *anyways*, why not spend it towards making it easier to port Amiga, MorphOS and OS4 applications to AROS

Why not break free from the legacy and legal nonsense that *anyways* hinders MorphOS and OS4 from ever becoming interesting outside inner circles? Seriously, why on earth let closed, narrow minded and retro focused projects dictate what a free and open source operating system is to become?! I'm not an "Amiga developer", but I was, I'd develop for AROS and screw the rest. AROS is _the only_ chance this... "plattform", has. Both MorphOS, with all its brilliance and yadida, and OS4, have locked themselves up in corners from where there is no escape. The only way to really survive is to give up legacy compatibility. The sooner the better! Geh, I'm repeating what I wrote more than a decade ago already... wtf am I doing here anyways. :roflmao:

[kolla]

Zune should just be an API re-imp of MUI, simples, anything else is a waste of time.

No, au contraire - letting MUI dictate AROS development is a waste of time.

[Fats]

Its ID based method dispatcher is bit clumsy sometimes.

This qualifies for me as the understatement of the year (TM)

greets,
Staf.

[kolla]

While I do agree that AROS would benefit in the long run from going it's own way with Zune, I don't agree it's time yet.

Yet? Are you serious? The ideal time to do it has already passed a long time ago, it's been the sooner the better for years already.

What you really would want to do, is to make the platform desirable for people also _outside_ our teeny weeny constantly shrinking community.

[nicholas]

IMNSHO it should be done like this:

1) Get Zune to fully implement all publicly known MUI 4 functionality to achieve 100% source code compatibility.
2) Make Zune work on OS 3.x, OS4, AROS and MorphOS.
3) Once all that is achieved stop tracking MUI 4 and do whatever the feck the Zune developers like whilst keeping Zune working on all four platforms.

[kolla]

You know what has evolved further than MUI3.8? MUI4!

Nonsense. MUI4 is as locked up and messy as 3.8. The few technical improvements are few and of little importance.

[kolla]

But once Zune reaches parity

That will _never_ happen, you know.

[kolla]

Shouldn't MUI set the pace its been the dipso facto standatrd on amigalike OSs for quite some time now.

Hm, what do you mean? I really don't know that many MUI apps that are "standard" on neither OS4 nor AROS.

Is this a jelaousy thing, because MorphOS has MUI4 and everybody else stuck in the past?

Heh, MorphOS is stuck in the past just as much as everyone else here. MUI4 is just marginally better than MUI3.8 or Zune. All of them are way old in terms of design.

Is there some agreement between MorphOS and MUI dev that MUI4 can not be used on AOS4 or AROS?

Pretty much, which is why this entire MUI as a common platform is a total waste of time.