ELBOX New Spider device

[danbeaver]

MorphOS is a lot like the Canadians

[ozkano]

i have original spider on my a1200 with mediator, poseidon 4.4 installed and I am using spider.device 3.2driver , poseidon recognise spider but it does not assign lci card as hub to the system, so no device running

any one any idea

[danbeaver]

What other PCI cards are in use, what does Medconfig have for used graphic memory, which version of the PCI.library are you using?

[ozkano]

What other PCI cards are in use, what does Medconfig have for used graphic memory, which version of the PCI.library are you using?

my lci card

ati radeon 128 MB (4MB to video memory, 124 mb to system memory)
realtek pcş ethernet
creative sound blaster
spider usb host

I am using latest drivers downloaded from elbow website

spider.device version 3.2
poseidon 4.4

best regards

[danbeaver]

Well,lets assume you are using pci.library version 9.7 and spider device 3.21 or 3.22; when you go into Trident does it show the card as online?  Have you assigned the three different units?  In Trident, you add in the unit numbers 0,1, and 2 and take each online individually.  The green "light" will go on in Trident if the USB stack is functioning.

[ozkano]

here are some pictures I just took

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PVszK2TY3Iw/VBV8PCo6_OI/AAAAAAAAFBA/UK91cHoACLQ/s1600/2014-09-14%2B14.19.30.jpg

poseidon recognised hardware, but only just one

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4CS4ItF3fYQ/VBV8U65KP4I/AAAAAAAAFBI/wvaS5__W-bk/s1600/2014-09-14%2B14.21.16.jpg

this is the message for programmer

and there is no device connected to spider

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PPJmq-AbPuI/VBV8Y-3FO0I/AAAAAAAAFBQ/QksvaLO5lfA/s1600/2014-09-14%2B14.20.12.jpg

[danbeaver]

Ok, I see unit zero (0), where are units 1 and 2?  To be functional all three units must be added and brought online.  If you haven't done this, go to Add Device, select the spider.device, set the unit number to 1 then press Online; and do the same for unit 2

[ozkano]

I did as you said but they are not getting online, I also using thylacine on my a4000 and a3000 I only add one card and automatickly it find hub and rest usb devices

[danbeaver]

Well, it sounds like the card has a problem; you can try cleaning the contacts and the slot or try another slot, but if you get the same results then something isn't right

[Crackpot]

I did as you said but they are not getting online, I also using thylacine on my a4000 and a3000 I only add one card and automatickly it find hub and rest usb devices

ozkano, did you find a solution to your Spider USB problem?

I have a similar problem with my set-up. In fact, I have never had the Spider up and running all the long years since it was first bought. None of the Elbox drivers have worked with this set-up. I get the same errors as you.

It's been many years now, but I recall the Poseidon author, Chris Hodges, was not paid a license fee by Elbox for his efforts. Maybe he fixed Poseidon in such a way as to prevent the Spider - or some Spiders - from being recognised by Elbox drivers... I dunno...  

And yet, we keep hearing stories of people successfully running the Spider on their Mediator equipped Amigas via Poseidon. Wish I knew their secret!

The whole situation still peeves me off. Elbox should have paid Chris Hodges the royalties. He's a good programmer and Poseidon looks a damn good USB stack. So sorry I've never been able to make use of it - especially after having paid for both the Spider and Poseidon.

Hope you have better luck.

[Yasu]

the problem is, the scene is so diverse that its difficult to expect people to follow any common patch anymore.

Which is what happens when people get a choice in the matter With Commodore, we got Commodore products. Regardless if we liked every aspect of them or not we had the choice of buying them, or not to.

The problem isn't choice. The problem is users who can't accept other people making the "wrong" one.

[Bamiga2002]

First, clear all the spider.device settings in Trident and save. Then in CLI type:

AddUSBHardware Devs:USBHardware/spider.device 2
AddUSBHardware Devs:USBHardware/spider.device 0
AddUSBHardware Devs:USBHardware/spider.device 1

What happens now?

Info leeched here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=667249&postcount=1

[danbeaver]

Secondly, Poseidon works fine with the Spider device; but if you are concerned about the way that Elbox treated Chris, then show support for him by buying a RapidRoad USB device from Jens who set up an arrangement with Chris almost 2 years before the RapidRoad came to market.

[Crackpot]

First, clear all the spider.device settings in Trident and save. Then in CLI type:

AddUSBHardware Devs:USBHardware/spider.device 2
AddUSBHardware Devs:USBHardware/spider.device 0
AddUSBHardware Devs:USBHardware/spider.device 1

What happens now?

Info leeched here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=667249&postcount=1

Hi, Bamiga2002

This is what happens:

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07:44PM|  0-poseidon.library: New hardware DEVS:USBHardware/spider.device/2 added (PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller).

07:44PM|  5-poseidon.library: GET_DESCRIPTOR (len failed: host error (3)

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: SET_ADDRESS failed: host error (3)

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: Device enumeration failed, sorry.

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: Root hub enumeration failed. Blame your hardware driver programmer.


07:44PM|  0-poseidon.library: New hardware DEVS:USBHardware/spider.device/0 added (uPD9210FGC-7EA USB Host Controller).

07:44PM|  5-poseidon.library: GET_DESCRIPTOR (len failed: host error (3)

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: SET_ADDRESS failed: host error (3)

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: Device enumeration failed, sorry.

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: Root hub enumeration failed. Blame your hardware driver programmer.


07:44PM|  0-poseidon.library: New hardware DEVS:USBHardware/spider.device/1 added (uPD9210FGC-7EA USB Host Controller).

07:44PM|  5-poseidon.library: GET_DESCRIPTOR (len failed: host error (3)

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: SET_ADDRESS failed: host error (3)

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: Device enumeration failed, sorry.

07:44PM| 20-poseidon.library: Root hub enumeration failed. Blame your hardware driver programmer.
--------------------------

These same errors occur no matter what is done. However, everything else in Trident's message log window is reported as normal - all that stuff in Sys:classes/USB is seen and reported as functioning and ready to go.


Have tried the SpiderII card in a PC - goes fine. I had a camera and USB drive plugged into it. Nothing wrong with the card.

PCIinfo reports data for the card as normal - for all three instances of the NEC controllers.

Have tried the card in all Mediator's PC slots.

Have had things plugged into the Spider card whilst testing; and not plugged in whilst testing. Not one jot of difference either way.

Have removed and re-installed Poseidon several times - the last time with the latest version: 4.4

Have tried all versions of spider.device. Some result in the SpiderII card not being seen at all by Trident, others, like v.3.2, allow the card to be seen by Trident (all buttons 'green' and online in the 'Controller Tab', but still, never getting beyond the errors stated above.

Have 'clean-installed' the entire OS3.9 and Boing Bags, CYBPPC software, Mediator software, etc. Straight back to square one. No change. Same errors.  

The Mediator Board seems fine - the Voodoo3 card has always performed well in it.

This has me utterly stumped.

Maybe I need a gypsy to put a reverse curse on this spider card! :-)


Cheers

[danbeaver]

Perhaps it is misreading the Manufacturer's ID code wrong?

[Crackpot]

Secondly, Poseidon works fine with the Spider device; but if you are concerned about the way that Elbox treated Chris, then show support for him by buying a RapidRoad USB device from Jens who set up an arrangement with Chris almost 2 years before the RapidRoad came to market.

Hi Danbeaver,

Not my Poseidon; not my Spider.

Yes, I have seen the new RapidRoad card. Looks OK. In order to have USB on our Amiga 3K, I just might have to fork out the bucks for one - and an Xsurf card to attach it to.

Do you know if the Xsurf/RapidRoad combo works OK via a Mediator's ZORRO slots in an Amiga 3000?


Cheers