Timberwolf Progress Update

[Piru]

as i have written before, i tell the users to test it offline but nobody do.

How about if you'd provide the test kit with instructions how to use it? If you don't, everyone will do random thing x and you will get totally random results. I know I know, you're 99% sure everyone is doing it correctly...

The only way to get reliable results would be to run the tests on the same system, with offline content. Anything else is just pointless random guessing about the testing environment for any specific result. Drawing any kind of conclusions from such a random result set is just idiotic.

[unusedunused]

How about if you'd provide the test kit with instructions how to use it? If you don't, everyone will do random thing x and you will get totally random results. I know I know, you're 99% sure everyone is doing it correctly...

The only way to get reliable results would be to run the tests on the same system, with offline content. Anything else is just pointless random guessing about the testing environment for any specific result. Drawing any kind of conclusions from such a random result set is just idiotic.

as i told, its no problem, if the MOS or OS4 developers think the test is wrong, they can post time values offline.this cost btw less time, as you spend to write text to me.

[Piru]

as i told, its no problem, if the MOS or OS4 developers think the test is wrong, they can post time values offline

Sure. Except that each test would be different and thus the values could not be compared against each other.

How hard is it to understand this?

[Karlos]

Try to keep it civil folks...

[unusedunused]

Sure. Except that each test would be different and thus the values could not be compared against each other.

How hard is it to understand this?

Because CSS layout is the main speed problem it doesnt matter if the text is diffrent a little longer or have other images.

try it out if you dont believe.

save the page today to harddrive and save it tomorrow to harddrive or on some other days

you notice speed differ not much.if OS4 Or OWB browser is maybe 70% faster or not(depend on page content) doesnt matter, because 68k SDL was more than 3.3* faster at 100 MHZ

[Piru]

Because CSS layout is the main speed problem it doesnt matter if the text is diffrent a little longer or have other images.

try it out if you dont believe.

save the page today to harddrive and save it tomorrow to harddrive or on some other days

You do understand that

• the actual content on the pages changes daily if not every minute
• if everyone is to run the test by themselves they might save the page in a different way

There is just no way this can work out. The test kit must be static or the whole exercise is just totally pointless.

I officially give up on you. I'll look into the ignore feature here on amiga.org. There, you're now ignored. Feel free to dwell in your ignorance.

[unusedunused]

You do understand that

• the actual content on the pages changes daily if not every minute
• if everyone is to run the test by themselves they might save the page in a different way

There is just no way this can work out. The test kit must be static or the whole exercise is just totally pointless.

I officially give up on you. I'll look into the ignore feature here on amiga.org. There, you're now ignored. Feel free to dwell in your ignorance.

Yes i undertand that, but its only important to get really exact values, if maybe the speed betweeen systems is only 20-80%  diffrent.

But we talk about factor of 3.3 and more that the SDL netsurf is faster

so a measure inaccuracy of 80-100 % doesnt matter.

another example. When a Formula 1 car must race between a series 100 ps Car both with good drivers, it doesnt matter if it rain or not, the formula 1 is so much faster, so it win always.

so the series 100ps car can drive on dry course and the Formula 1 car can drive on rainy course.

and many told that ixemul and SDL and 68k compilers are so slow, so the formala 1 is from most call as PPC System.
so when believe the words of the 68k bashers, then PPC must be the one that is 3* faster as 68k at 100 MHZ

You can also look on efika how fast it is.

[jorkany]

I just got the FireFox 6.0 update for OS X.

Hows that FF 4.0 rewrite of Timberwolf coming along?

[hooligan]

I just got the FireFox 6.0 update for OS X.

Hows that FF 4.0 rewrite of Timberwolf coming along?

And only 100mb memory usage when viewing Amiga.org

[jorkany]

And only 100mb memory usage when viewing Amiga.org

Nope. Try 232.

[AmigaNG]

Once again a verbose thread on OS4 or major os4 software and not one post from any rep or dev from Hyperion themselves. its quite amusing and sad. Its amazing these guys inherited the "Amiga" legacy and the Morph guys are the bad guys when they have delivered miles more...

Yes it is quite amusing and sad that you morphOS fans seem to feel the need to pick out flaws and issues with a product you clearly not interested in. And when Odyssey came out how many of you had a nice discussion about all the feature that Fab hard work has done for you
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58734
3 posts, and notice how many OS4 fans jump on and bashed the project or tried to derail the thread?

[Norway]

Yes it is quite amusing and sad that you morphOS fans seem to feel the need to pick out flaws and issues with a product you clearly not interested in. And when Odyssey came out how many of you had a nice discussion about all the feature that Fab hard work has done for you
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58734
3 posts, and notice how many OS4 fans jump on and bashed the project or tried to derail the thread?

Those few people do more harm than good to Mos, and the Amiga comunity in general. Really sad

[yssing]

It is really a shame, but I have this brain build in filter, that automatically filters out posts from some users.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. Its a good saying to remember.

[Piru]

you morphOS fans

Generalizing like that does wonders in building ever wider disparity.

pick out flaws and issues

As for not voicing your concerns even if you feel like something is wrong: I think it is far worse to keep silent than to say something. You may not like what you hear, but often you need to hear it. Sometimes it feels like certain projects are considered so holy that even a whiff of questioning will result in Spanish Inquisition.

notice how many OS4 fans jump on and bashed the project or tried to derail the thread?

As for Odyssey, I hardly can see any point in criticising it. On the other hand Timberwolf is far more susceptible for criticism (for example due to the fact that the target seems to be progressing far faster than the porting process, and the fact that no proper non-alpha release have been made). Undoubtedly some of the criticism is unwarranted, but certainly not all. Once usable Timberwolf has been released there's much less room for criticism.

[klx300r]

Yes it is quite amusing and sad that you morphOS fans seem to feel the need to pick out flaws and issues with a product you clearly not interested in. And when Odyssey came out how many of you had a nice discussion about all the feature that Fab hard work has done for you
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58734
3 posts, and notice how many OS4 fans jump on and bashed the project or tried to derail the thread?

yup always the same old usual suspects but it's tolerated & actually expected here at this site unfortunately, so why are you surprised:confused:

[AmigaNG]

Generalizing like that does wonders in building ever wider disparity.

Sorry, remind me what camp are you from? and takemehomegrandma with his blue butterfly avatar and magnetic with his sig saying bPlan Pegasos2 G4@1ghz Triple Boot:Reg. MorphOS /Ubuntu GNU-Linux /MacOS X

I dont mean to generalises and I'm sure there are a lot of MorphOS users who like or at the very least respect other Amiga community efforts its just a shame that some cant. That is all I'm trying to ask for, greater repect for peoples efforts.