Aos 3 -> aos 4

[HotRod]

Better performance than a 50Mhz machine... wow! amazing! wonderful! let's bring more popcorn! We would seriously have a problem if performance/price ratio wasn't much better than 7 years ago... what? did I hear you say Pegasos2-G4/1Ghz for 500€? nahhh I'm sure our wonderful 2011 brand new boing ball hardware is way faster and cheaper than that 7 year old hardware released in small batches :-P

I was offcourse (but hey, I was expecting too much from you) talking about a CSPPC with AOS 4 on it. If that's what you're stuck it but it feels fast enough any of the SAMs, A1s or X1000 will be faster.

I can't believe that I have to explain this to you.

[HotRod]

Maybe I would, but as an accelerator for my 3000 will set me back a half-grand easy, and a dedicated board will be quite a bit more than that, I'm not that motivated to find out. Maybe at some point when I've nabbed a cheap PPC Mac I'll give MorphOS a try, instead.

Then I just have to ask, if you're not interested why do you bother writing so many replys to anything I say? This whole statement is redicioulus. You can't get a "dedicated" board but you can get a mac and... okeeeey... good point

[HotRod]

I agree. At least I'd like to think we're doing a professional job by not releasing alpha stage OS to paying customers.

As long as the paying customer (me) knows what he buys I don't see the issue. It was no secret what I would get. Just because you don't understand things or remember how they where doesn't give you the right to throw out comments that are wrong.

Oh, I think it was classified as beta.

[jorkany]

Then I just have to ask, if you're not interested why do you bother writing so many replys to anything I say?

commodorejohn will have to answer for himself, but I'm going to bet it has something to do with the questions you posed in your first post:

I'd like to know why people using AOS 3 doesn't jump on the AOS 4 train? What is holding you back exactly?

Look, the fact is most Amiga users don't consider OS4 to be Amiga. Amiga-like, sure, nobody is questioning that; IMO OS4 is just as Amiga-like as AROS or MorphOS. Surely you've seen the multitude of reasons why people don't want or like OS4 posted over the years. It's not as if people haven't heard about or even tried OS4, if they wanted to use it they'd be using it by now - it's been what, 7 years since it was "released"? The problem with OS4 is two-fold: Hyperion has pissed off a lot of people, and though OS4 is Amiga-like it's still not as good as a real Amiga and has shortcomings when compared to the alternatives.

OS4 has a long way to go towards acceptance. In fact it's been so long struggling with acceptance that it's very reasonable to believe that it will never be accepted beyond the microscopic sub-community which has accepted it since the mid double-Zs. If you're happy with OS4, then great! That's your own problem. The problem though isn't with the majority who don't feel it's as good as any of the alternatives.

I hope this helps the next time you're fiddling around with Workbench settings or playing with some Linux port and start feeling evangelical.

[HotRod]

commodorejohn will have to answer for himself, but I'm going to bet it has something to do with the questions you posed in your first post:

How many posts do someone need to answer that question? It's a simple question, not a test.

Look, the fact is most Amiga users don't consider OS4 to be Amiga. Amiga-like, sure, nobody is questioning that; IMO OS4 is just as Amiga-like as AROS or MorphOS. Surely you've seen the multitude of reasons why people don't want or like OS4 posted over the years. It's not as if people haven't heard about or even tried OS4, if they wanted to use it they'd be using it by now - it's been what, 7 years since it was "released"? The problem with OS4 is two-fold: Hyperion has pissed off a lot of people, and though OS4 is Amiga-like it's still not as good as a real Amiga and has shortcomings when compared to the alternatives.

I wanted replys to see if everybody was thinking the same thing or if there where different reasons and there was. So I would really like to know how you can speak for most Amiga users? I asked for answers from each person, I didn't ask you to answer for all of them.

OS4 has a long way to go towards acceptance. In fact it's been so long struggling with acceptance that it's very reasonable to believe that it will never be accepted beyond the microscopic sub-community which has accepted it since the mid double-Zs. If you're happy with OS4, then great! That's your own problem. The problem though isn't with the majority who don't feel it's as good as any of the alternatives.

And there you go, it's my "problem". Now why would it be a problem? I would guess that you're a MOS user by that nice attitude and another fine example of that user-base but I'm pretty sure that you got nothing to add that I don't already know, at least you haven't in this post. If you however wanted to try and sound as someone who are smarter than everyone else (or me) and wise enough to tell me something that I didn't know you have failed. Apparently you simply can't stand to read about AOS 4 and that's really your problem. I have know issue reading about an amiga wanna-be os runing on second hand hardware but I don't find that very interesting.

I hope this helps the next time you're fiddling around with Workbench settings or playing with some Linux port and start feeling evangelical.

Haha oh you ARE a MOS user. Yeah, always throwing that religous crap around for the last ten years. Good thinking, but haven't you gotten something new to come up with?

I understand that it must be tough to not have a machine to run AOS 4 on and that it hurts but try to get over it when you play around with Ambient or play with maconlinux adn start feeling evangelical.

[commodorejohn]

Then I just have to ask, if you're not interested why do you bother writing so many replys to anything I say? This whole statement is redicioulus. You can't get a "dedicated" board but you can get a mac and... okeeeey... good point

Uh...I'm replying because you asked WB3 users (i.e. me) why we didn't upgrade to OS4, and I was explaining, and yet it seems that you either can't understand or won't accept my explanation: OS4 is too freaking expensive. I'm not paying $600 for an accelerator or $1100 for a dedicated board plus $200 for a copy of the OS because that is way more money than I'm willing to pay for a retro OS - and if I want a modern OS, I can use Windows XP or Linux, both of which are far more capable and run on hardware that is massively cheaper.

And yes, I can get a Mac - because they're nowhere near as expensive. I can get a G5 Power Mac for $50-200 that will stomp any $500+ Amiga PPC accelerator or $1000 custom board flat where performance is concerned and be significantly more expandable. And maybe it won't run OS4, but it will run MorphOS, OSX, AROS, or Linux (hint: the last two there are free, which is about $150-200 less than OS4 costs.)

If I want oldschool Amiga goodness, I can have it affordably with a 68k machine and WB3.1. If I want PPC computing, for whatever reason, I can have it affordably with a Mac and a free OS. If I want cheap, powerful computing and don't care what platform it's on, I can get an x86 PC. OS4 does not offer improvements on any of those fronts significant enough to justify the amount of money it requires.

[HotRod]

Uh...I'm replying because you asked WB3 users (i.e. me) why we didn't upgrade to OS4, and I was explaining, and yet it seems that you either can't understand or won't accept my explanation: OS4 is too freaking expensive. I'm not paying $600 for an accelerator or $1100 for a dedicated board plus $200 for a copy of the OS because that is way more money than I'm willing to pay for a retro OS - and if I want a modern OS, I can use Windows XP or Linux, both of which are far more capable and run on hardware that is massively cheaper.

And yes, I can get a Mac - because they're nowhere near as expensive. I can get a G5 Power Mac for $50-200 that will stomp any $500+ Amiga PPC accelerator or $1000 custom board flat where performance is concerned and be significantly more expandable. And maybe it won't run OS4, but it will run MorphOS, OSX, AROS, or Linux (hint: the last two there are free, which is about $150-200 less than OS4 costs.)

If I want oldschool Amiga goodness, I can have it affordably with a 68k machine and WB3.1. If I want PPC computing, for whatever reason, I can have it affordably with a Mac and a free OS. If I want cheap, powerful computing and don't care what platform it's on, I can get an x86 PC. OS4 does not offer improvements on any of those fronts significant enough to justify the amount of money it requires.

Ok and the question was why you need so many replies for that simple question?

[commodorejohn]

Because it apparently took this many replies for you to grasp that.

[spihunter]

Because it apparently took this many replies for you to grasp that.

Yea, I think maybe 6-7 different people have said that in this thread. You have way more patience then me commodorejohn!

[HotRod]

Because it apparently took this many replies for you to grasp that.

Or rather that it took you ten attempts to write an answer? I didn't ask you ten times now I?

[zylesea]

Hello!

I'd like to know why people using AOS 3 doesn't jump on the AOS 4 train? What is holding you back exactly?

Well, to me OS4 is the least appealing alternative OS when coming from 68k.

It is the most expensive solution (AROS is for free, MorphOS total cost of a system is also way cheaper).

It is rather slow (loses most benchmaks) and many things are missing (usb 2, sound driver with Sam 460, scsi on classic).

The wannabe professional attitude from Hyperion et al. is annoying.

The look is pretty old fashioned, the shell not improved over 3.x.

There's no indocation that future upgrades will bring significant improvemts.
 
Lots of broken promises, FUD and lies with fanatsy hardware and features as well as the two more weeks stuff

Most capable developers are elsewhere.

No good web browser.


My appealing list: MorphOS, AROS, FPGA stuff, UAE, OS4.

[smerf]

It's AOS4 that's holding me back from using AOS4...

Reason being after having bought OS4.0 to run on my BlizzardPPC 240Mhz it was slower than a dead donkey with arthritis and three of it's legs missing...

Believe me it does hurt... especially your wallet... just remember you need a PPC board and GFX card for OS4.X to be of any use and the vast majority of Amiga users don't own these things...

Hi,

@Franko,

Heck I will go one better, OS 4.1 is slower then a dead snail with it's slime missing. It multi-tasks like a 1987 MAC, and is actually worse than Windows 3.1, and you are right, you need a PPC board (which I have) and a graphics card (still looking) so if anyone has a bvision graphics card out there that they want to get rid of like super cheap, let me know.

smerf

[Iggy]

My appealing list: MorphOS, AROS, FPGA stuff, UAE, OS4.

Close to my own order.
MorphOS, FPGA stuff, UAE, AROS, OS4

And OS4 has the same browser MOS does (thanks to Fab).

But this whole thread just re-hashes our own personal preferences/prejudices again.

Can't we come up with something more original?

[commodorejohn]

Or rather that it took you ten attempts to write an answer? I didn't ask you ten times now I?

No, but you did give me ten replies each indicating that you either misunderstood or just plain ignored half my points - therefore, I attempted to restate them, and apparently it took ten successive refinements of my argument before you couldn't not understand what I was saying...

[Iggy]

...before you couldn't not understand what I was saying...

Ha!  +1

I don't want to spend that much for that little either.

[drHirudo]

And OS4 has the same browser MOS does (thanks to Fab).

Firefox?