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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #14 from previous page: May 29, 2011, 10:20:28 AM »
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Exactly, even the main stream media has pointed out time and time again that Bin Laden was a CIA operative. Though of course I never know what to think in regards to the main stream media. It seems to be nothing but yet another set of tentacles that stretch out from the beast and wrap themselves around the minds of men and set fires...

And a rage burns without guidance or direction...

Here is a beautiful song on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNNzGhzIAVo

In the lyrics he asks this lady he's singing about to tell please tell him the meaning of it all because he must admit, he's not sick enough to guess...

I love that!!! So true!



Aghh, the wonderful world of Strategic Diversion:

Strategical Diversion: to change the perception of reality of every individual that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, their country and their nation. When the process is complete, it is irreversible.

The ideology of colectivism , new version of Marxism-Leninism - is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generation of students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of family, individualism, character, integrity, Christianity, patriotism or nation tradition, culture interest."

The result? The result you can see ... the people who graduated in the 60's, dropouts or half-baked progressive intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of mass media, and educational systems, corporate business power in the government and civil service. You are stuck with them. You can't get through to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain ($$) pattern (including to Pavlov).

You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.The demoralization process in Western Civilization is basically completed already for the last 25 years.

Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov (head Soviet KGB) and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. To exposure to true information about irresponsibility, Socialism and collectivization does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if you shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures.,movies web sites. ...he will refuse to believe it.... That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization".
- Yuri Bezmenov (ex-KGB)

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. - 2nd Timothy 3:7




It all comes down to this: Who do you trust more? The Televised vision, or the voices in your head? I'll stick with the voices in my head thank you very much, at least they don't have an agenda. ;)


This. A million times this!
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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2011, 03:08:46 PM »
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And if he did, it took a conspiracy to formulate his works.

I never said he wasn't part of a conspiracy. And now that I think about it, the first cop to enter the book depository building found Oswald exiting a break room several floor down (from the open window).

So maybe he was a patsy.
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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2011, 10:18:45 PM »
I'm convinced you did it! ;)
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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2011, 12:31:34 PM »
Oh looky, troofers!

Debunked

As to why people disbelieve "conspiracies", the answer is quite simple: Many us sat through the first wave of this crap and watched as the troofer movement concocted ever more elaborate and unsubstantiated nonsense which basically boiled down to the following:

  • Muslims are too stupid to be able to read, much less fly planes (Also it was teh ebul jooos)
  • They want star treck to be real (holographic planes, fricken layzeer beams)
  • Can't be bothered to take the time to read the NIST report and so make shit up.


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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2011, 03:05:26 PM »
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Oh looky, troofers!

Debunked

As to why people disbelieve "conspiracies", the answer is quite simple: Many us sat through the first wave of this crap and watched as the troofer movement concocted ever more elaborate and unsubstantiated nonsense which basically boiled down to the following:

  • Muslims are too stupid to be able to read, much less fly planes (Also it was teh ebul jooos)
  • They want star treck to be real (holographic planes, fricken layzeer beams)
  • Can't be bothered to take the time to read the NIST report and so make shit up.

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While that is an interesting website, it is by no means a peer reviewed one, unless you take peer to mean like-minded anti-conspiracy conspiracy theorists.
 

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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2011, 03:17:48 PM »
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While that is an interesting website, it is by no means a peer reviewed one,


From dictionary.com

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peer –noun
1.
a person of the same legal status: a jury of one's peers.
2.
a person who is equal to another in abilities, qualifications, age, background, and social status.
3.
something of equal worth or quality: a sky-scraper without peer.


Or perhaps you're demanding that it be looked at by a member of the landed gentry?

Interesting that you haven't demanded a similar standard of evidence of the OP's video.

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unless you take peer to mean like-minded anti-conspiracy conspiracy theorists.


Heh, nice Adhom attack.

There's a reason why stuff like this shows up on youtube, in fact there are a few articles within that site that explain why. Hint: It's the same reason anti-vax and alt-med types use it.
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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2011, 04:24:16 PM »
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Or perhaps you're demanding that it be looked at by a member of the landed gentry?

Interesting that you haven't demanded a similar standard of evidence of the OP's video.


Easy, there!  I'm playing devil's advocate, not "Leander's a quack"!  You know darn good and well what a peer reviewed article is.  But the quip about the land owning gentry was pretty funny!  The OPs video is just that, and explained easily enough by your next point (after the adhom quip):

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Heh, nice Adhom attack.

I thought that was funny!

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There's a reason why stuff like this shows up on youtube, in fact there are a few articles within that site that explain why. Hint: It's the same reason anti-vax and alt-med types use it.
No arguments here on that point.

My point much earlier in the thread was that there is truth somewhere in the middle.  If you are the type that thinks that the US Government is not above questionable acts to justify a war (Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, Lend-Lease, Texas Raiders), then let ignorance be your shield.  Was 9/11 an inside job?  Who the hell knows.  We're still arguing about JFK, and our government today has MUCH MORE ability to claim bullshit reasons for "need to know."  Standing on the ground in a Basrah Oilfield protecting a KBR employee while in uniform at the same time Tricky Dick Cheney was assuring the American public that KBR was supplying their own protection -- this KBR employee was telling me that his group was there to build permanent bases for US troops (think Korea) so that we could launch the next part of the operation- carving off the oil fields in Iran.  This was 2003.  So, to recap.  Was Osama CIA?  He was assuredly trained by them.  Were the towers rigged?  Who knows.  Did the US government use that attack to destroy what little civil rights we had left (USA PATRIOT) and go to war to secure oil interests in the middle east?  Absolutely.  So, being a vet of that stupid war, I could care fuck-all about the towers, honestly.

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Documented civilian death from war action in Iraq, approx 100,000
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Approx death from 9/11 (to include first responders exposed to the dust etc)?  2752 (from 2009, so it may have gone up by a couple of deaths)
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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2011, 04:38:42 PM »
Sadly there are still people out there who think that...

All Cops are such great guys who never beat anyone up...

All military personnel would never shoot an unarmed civilian just for kicks in a War Zone...

All Judges are wise men who would never break the law...

All Politicians are only doing the job to help benefit their fellow man...

The Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause & The Easter Bunny really do exist...

And Finally

Everything their Government does is all legit and above board and they would never lie to us the people or keep things secret from us... :rolleyes:

Me... I not a conspiracy theorist... I KNOW conspiracies are FACT... ;)
 

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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2011, 05:01:02 PM »
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You know darn good and well what a peer reviewed article is.  


The forums attached to that site do provide a very effective reviewing mechanism. When challenges from those within the movement have appeared on other sites that test the veracity of claims made, often you will find responses to them.

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But the quip about the land owning gentry was pretty funny!  


Ta :D

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I thought that was funny!


I'll write it off as a sense of humour failure on my part :)

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My point much earlier in the thread was that there is truth somewhere in the middle.  If you are the type that thinks that the US Government is not above questionable acts to justify a war (Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, Lend-Lease, Texas Raiders), then let ignorance be your shield.  


I'm really not. But at the same time I have very little time for the troofer movement as a whole because of their basic method of looking for facts to justify their beliefs and ignoring all else is toxic to the wider discussion. Any hypothesis must be based on all of the available evidence in order to be considered a theory, not something built up of cherry picked and or deliberately misconstrued evidence to shore up pre existing beliefs.  

As far as Franko's comment goes, I take the view that there are precious few absolutes in this world. Anyone attempting to define reality in terms of black and white will miss vast amounts of detail.

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Was Osama CIA?  He was assuredly trained by them.


I agree, the problem I have with this, is the automatic assumption that he continued to be.

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 Were the towers rigged?  Who knows.


Highly unlikely. If you read the full NIST report (which if you do manage to get through it all, I will personally buy you a pint - it really is that dull) you'll realise why too. One of the things that it highlighted is that it's quite possible that several of the assumptions made by the engineers who constructed it may well have been wrong and as a result could imply that many other skyscrapers aren't nearly as tough as first thought.

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  Did the US government use that attack to destroy what little civil rights we had left (USA PATRIOT) and go to war to secure oil interests in the middle east?  Absolutely.  So, being a vet of that stupid war, I could care fuck-all about the towers, honestly.


Absolutely agreed, and this is what I was talking about when I mention the toxicity of the 9/11 for truth movement. Whilst they're busy fapping themselves blind over magical sideways cutting thermite, fricken layzeeer beams and all the other wacky nonsense they've come up with, they have completely ignored the very real and very dangerous (imho) consequences of the attack itself.
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Re: 9/11 twin towers mysteries documentary.
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2011, 05:30:28 PM »
The biggest problem I have with the troofers though is that as a result of going into that movement, with it's pre-requisite of suspending disbelief, is that many ended up going on to evangelise for the above mentioned anti-vax and alt-med groups.
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