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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #344 from previous page: May 19, 2011, 05:54:45 PM »
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DMCA is not a copyright law, it's an anti DRM circumvention law. As there is no DRM to circumvent then DMCA is not applicable.

The DMCA has several parts. The one that was used to take down the MediaFire files is the same one that applies to take down copyrighted videos from YouTube, etc. There is no DRM involved in this part.

The other problem that Franko has with his UK provider relates to the terms of service. He placed Amiga ROMs and disk images online for which he had no license, and the terms of service say he can't do that. It's as simple as that.

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However the discussion is about the legality of offering adf's for download, not whether anything bad will happen if you do.

Yes and no. The discussion turned into Franko whining about Cloanto shutting down his sites/files. But Franko here is conveniently "forgetting" that the majority of items in the long list of files that were in the DMCA takedown request that he posted were not floppy disk images, but Amiga ROMs like this one:

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/analogfiles/Piracy/mediafire-com-amigacollector-amiga-rom-download.png

I know what I am talking about because I have a user name on the "Commodore Scotland" site, and I saved a few pages and took screen grabs before they were taken down.

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #345 on: May 19, 2011, 05:56:39 PM »
This thread turned out to be a waste of time... :)
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 05:32:34 AM by Franko »
 

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #346 on: May 19, 2011, 06:03:05 PM »
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Does that mean Hyperion are going to get sued?  Or do they have a license from Cloanto now?

Or has Cloanto gone after their ISP just like they have gone after Franko's

No, because Hyperion have a license. Lots of companies have a valid license. Now don't make me search on the Amiga Forever site, because being whoever I am I should know the KB number by memory ;), but I know the page is there, and it lists at least a dozen of companies who have legal licenses...

As for Cloanto "going after" the ISP, maybe they did so after I emailed them, or somebody else did. Did they have a choice to not do so? I don't know!
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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #347 on: May 19, 2011, 06:04:34 PM »
Forget it.  The Amiga deserves its fate.  I have never met a bigger group of backstabbing children in my entire life.
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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #348 on: May 19, 2011, 06:05:58 PM »
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DMCA is not a copyright law, it's an anti DRM circumvention law.
er.. yes it is copyright law...
It's the Digital Millenium Copyright Act...  From Wikipedia:
"The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law.."

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As there is no DRM to circumvent then DMCA is not applicable.

That is true..
I didn't say it was applicable; it was a bit of a side conversation.
I know this thread is tough enough to follow already.. ;-)

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #349 on: May 19, 2011, 06:06:14 PM »
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Look numptie I've known right from the start exactly who you are...

OK, tell me my "Amiga Scotland" username, and if that's right I will admit it. :)
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« Reply #350 on: May 19, 2011, 06:09:38 PM »
And of course DMCA doesn't apply to Franko as foreign laws are not enforceable in Scotland...
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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #351 on: May 19, 2011, 06:11:51 PM »
This thread turned out to be a waste of time... :)
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 05:33:50 AM by Franko »
 

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #352 on: May 19, 2011, 06:35:16 PM »
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Forget it.  The Amiga deserves its fate.  I have never met a bigger group of backstabbing children in my entire life.


+1

Ironic I guess.  I mean, we all know where to get the disks, we all know where to get the roms.

By "ironic" I mean, I think this only works -against- Cloanto.  If we had a legit "Workbench for Classic" repository, it would be place that clearly said it had no roms and could point to Amiga Forever if you want an emulation solution.


How it is now, if some one is only searching for Workbench disks, "Ironically", they are probably going to end up running into an Amiga Forever torrent anyway!  

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #353 on: May 19, 2011, 06:37:46 PM »
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By "ironic" I mean, I think this only works -against- Cloanto.  If we had a legit "Workbench for Classic" repository, it would be place that clearly said it had no roms and could point to Amiga Forever if you want an emulation solution.

How it is now, if some one is only searching for Workbench disks, "Ironically", they are probably going to end up running into an Amiga Forever torrent anyway!  

"SLAPS FOREHEAD"!!!!
+100  :)

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #354 on: May 19, 2011, 06:46:09 PM »
This thread turned out to be a waste of time... :)
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 05:35:15 AM by Franko »
 

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #355 on: May 19, 2011, 06:48:33 PM »
This thread turned out to be a waste of time... :)
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 05:36:01 AM by Franko »
 

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #356 on: May 19, 2011, 08:14:41 PM »
This thread turned out to be a waste of time... :)
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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #357 on: May 19, 2011, 08:37:21 PM »
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er.. yes it is copyright law...
It's the Digital Millenium Copyright Act... From Wikipedia:
"The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law.."

If you read further:
 
"It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself."
 
Neither of the two things it criminilizes is copyright infringement.
 
It does also create a safe harbour for sites that remove infringing files if removed after receiving a DMCA takedown notice. If they ignore the request then they aren't covered by the safe harbour and will be liable to prosecution under normal copyright law. This is why sites outside the US honour DMCA take down notices, if they ignore it then their local law applies anyway. However it neither adds or removes anything to copyright law about what constitutes an infringement.
 
So it's not actually a copyright law. The act wasn't very well written.
 
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And of course DMCA doesn't apply to Franko as foreign laws are not enforceable in Scotland...

No, but EUCD does apply to Franko & it's worse than DMCA.
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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #358 on: May 19, 2011, 08:50:22 PM »
This thread turned out to be a waste of time... :)
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 05:38:11 AM by Franko »
 

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Re: Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...
« Reply #359 on: May 19, 2011, 09:40:33 PM »
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Wow finally someone who knows where I can legally purchase Workbench 3.1 disks, this is good news, please share this with the rest of the community for future reference... :)

PS: I know I can purchase 3.1 ROMS from AmigaKit but not the Workbench 3.1 disks... :(

I think AmigaKit have said that they are expecting some NOS 3.1 disks, is that right?

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