Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...

[Franko]

This thread turned out to be a waste of time...

[Steino]

All this is just crap.  I take the position that if someone wants a Kickstart or Workbench disk for a machine that originally shipped with said disk, they should be able to get a working copy.

Nobody seems to disagree with this, not even Cloanto. Maybe someone should contact them and ask if such a service (using real floppy disks!) can be set up?

[commodorejohn]

Ah yes, forgot all about this excellent FAQ cloanto has set up. See this:

An interesting read. At the very least, it lets us know (in the absence of Cloanto having ever made any posts in this thread) that they're very, very sorry:
or, more              regrettably, it could escalate all the way to the ISP and to              local computer crime authorities. When this happens, we consider this a              failure, and we feel very badly about this.
See, Franko? They feel really bad about it.
We believe that ROM and operating system piracy hurt emulation. Please consider what happened to so many emulators     for other systems,
You mean the emulators that are now free and unmolested because companies without such a burr up their ass realized it wasn't actually the end of the world? Has this page been updated since 1997?
It does not cost much to     ask
but you may never get any reply at all, in which case you should avoid ever taking any action, even if you have to wait until the end of time.

The difference in this particular case is that it is Franko's stated goal to prove that the Workbench disks are PD. Cloanto simply have to react to this. Or as Piru put it: They're a sensible business, so they have to protect their investment.

Do they? They don't distribute Workbench disk images for actual Amiga hardware, nor are they licensed to do so. What possible investment could they have in this?

[Franko]

This thread turned out to be a waste of time...

[bloodline]

An interesting read. At the very least, it lets us know (in the absence of Cloanto having ever made any posts in this thread) that they're very, very sorry:
or, more              regrettably, it could escalate all the way to the ISP and to              local computer crime authorities. When this happens, we consider this a              failure, and we feel very badly about this.
See, Franko? They feel really bad about it.
We believe that ROM and operating system piracy hurt emulation. Please consider what happened to so many emulators     for other systems,
You mean the emulators that are now free and unmolested because companies without such a burr up their ass realized it wasn't actually the end of the world? Has this page been updated since 1997?
It does not cost much to     ask
but you may never get any reply at all, in which case you should avoid ever taking any action, even if you have to wait until the end of time.

Do they? They don't distribute Workbench disk images for actual Amiga hardware, nor are they licensed to do so. What possible investment could they have in this?

And Franko didn't bother to ask them, as they have requested in their FAQ... Have you contacted them?

[AmigaHeretic]

Nobody seems to disagree with this, not even Cloanto. Maybe someone should contact them and ask if such a service (using real floppy disks!) can be set up?

There's the problem.  The smart thing to do, and I'm sure Cloanto would love to would be to put the ADF's up for like 50 cents a disk DL.  Pick any disk pay $0.50.  Get a whole OS for like $2.50.  Everyone is happy!!  Wouldn't have to even deal with Franko and his ISP.

Why don't Cloanto do this?

Dum Duh Dummm!!!!

Because there is no COPYRIGHT holder!!  Cloanto have no license to do this type of service AND they have no way to get a new license to do this because no one exists any longer that can give new licenses.


My guess is a last ditch effort to keep this a secret?  That is the only thing I can think of.

[AmigaHeretic]

And Franko didn't bother to ask them, as they have requested in their FAQ... Have you contacted them?

It's fair use.  

Don't agree it's fair use?  Well, have Cloanto tried to contacted him to speak about it?


EDIT:
And second of all why, would you think to even contact Cloanto?  I mean they are not the copyright holder.  That would be one of the last people I would have thought, maybe Amiga Inc though.  But if you contact Cloanto, then you have to contact AmigaKit and so on....  where does it end?  But Cloanto?  They don't even sell disks for real Amigas.

[Franko]

This thread turned out to be a waste of time...

[bloodline]

@ commodorejohn

I've been over that site many times now and it never fails to make me laugh...


@ Bloodline

You just don't get it do you... sigh...

Obviously not! While I'm struggling to understand, I simply don't!

[Piru]

It's fair use.

By which definition? Commentary? Criticism? News reporting? Research? Teaching? Parody?

[Franko]

This thread turned out to be a waste of time...

[AmigaHeretic]

By which definition? Commentary? Criticism? News reporting? Research? Teaching? Parody?

Oh look you asked!  Did Cloanto?


That was the point in my reply.

[commodorejohn]

And Franko didn't bother to ask them, as they have requested in their FAQ... Have you contacted them?

They don't have the rights to it! Why would you contact them?

[bloodline]

They don't have the rights to it! Why would you contact them?

They DO have rights to it, and that appears to be the problem most people have with them!

[desiv]

By which definition? Commentary? Criticism? News reporting? Research? Teaching? Parody?

Based on this thread, I'd say all of the above...

desiv

[CSixx]

2) If it is about helping honest Amiga owners who lost or damaged their original floppy disks, why are you not setting up a service where you ship actual Amiga floppy disks? You can't write an Amiga floppy disk from a Pc from the files you offer download, so what use are they if you cannot startup the Amiga?

This is the proper way to handle it. Anyone in possession of an actual Amiga computer is licensed for the use of Workbench (the version the computer came with) for that machine. They are also allowed to make and use backup copies.

I, for one, would be happy to provide a full set of physical copies to anyone that needs them, provided they pay for or supply the media.