Distribution Licence For Workbench...

[Fraggle1]

Once again I feel I must speak up in Franko's defence.
What he's trying to do here is to bring some common sense to a community full of hot air & BS. A community that would rather argue forever than do something practical to claim what should be theirs by right if natural justice had anything to do with it.

And don't talk to me about "piracy" killing the Amiga. Back in the day, retailers supported the Amiga simply because of it's high prices, robbing both end users AND developers. (I know that a certain 'must have' application retailed for 7 or 8 times it's wholesale price)
Result ? Users copied stuff rather than pay ridiculous prices & developers found pastures new, where they got a better return for their efforts. You might also blame Amiga freeware, who's quality often made commercial products redundant.
When C= went belly up, ordinary users (as opposed to Amiga fans) dumped their Amigas & bought PCs, & the fast shrinking Amiga market (not piracy) was a major factor in developers abandoning the Amiga - They had mortgages to pay, dammit !

Are we now expected to listen to self-righteous babbling by a few people who seem to think that the Amiga will somehow be 'damaged' by Franko making WB disks easily available ?

The damage was done many years ago by those who made a fast buck & then ceased to care, & IMHO, Franko is trying to help this dwindling community by giving something back.

[bloodline]

Does it work 100%?  The answer is "no" so I don't need to try it yet.

Once it does work and I can use it as I use WB3.x then I can donate to the team by donating to "bounties" to add extra features.

You see, if it actually did "work" then  we would all be using it right now and we wouldn't have this thread.  Correct?

Try it, see for yourself

[mongo]

Franko is trying to help this dwindling community by giving something back.

It's not his to give.

[Franko]

I realise you might not understand the opensource movement so this can seem alien, but the end result is worth the effort. I have donated both money and code to the project and I would expect others to do the same if they want the Amiga to still exist in 20 years.

You say it doesn't work, I know then that you haven't even tried AROS68k...

I can understand your enthusiasm and support for AROS but your very, very wrong in making the wild claim that only because of AROS will the Amiga still be around in 20 years...

If I'm still around in 20 years and I can assure you I will still be using the Amiga, it wont be because of AROS or even have anything to do with AROS. I will still be using real genuine original Amiga hardware and real genuine real Amiga ROMS whether they be in physical format or as ROM Image Files...

Please try and understand Bloodline that there are still some folk for whom the original hardware and roms is all that they require for the Amiga and if AROS is for you then by all means use it and support it but give up on the crusade to try and convert everyone to it...

PS: your comment to Darrin of "You say it doesn't work, I know then that you haven't even tried " the last time you posted a video on this site about it , it still wasn't functioning properly, so how can you claim that it does work... :confused:

[Franko]

It's not his to give.

Ok mongo, I have great respect for your posts on this site and the help you give people here, so please tell me who I can contact to try and obtain a distribution licence to do so, that will satisfy everyone legally...

[Darrin]

Try it, see for yourself

I will and I'll get back to you.  A4000 should be OK?

[ChaosLord]

It's not his to give.

Franko owns bandwidth which he pays for and gives away for free to the Amiga community.

So he always gives something to the community.

[koaftder]

Once again I feel I must speak up in Franko's defence.
What he's trying to do here is to bring some common sense to a community full of hot air & BS.



 IMHO, Franko is trying to help this dwindling community by giving something back.

No he's not. He's already pulled this shit before and had to make a choice: a) remove the disk images off his site or b) pull the link to his site out of his signature and not talk about it on AO. He choose A. The situation isn't going to change. The only reason he's pulling this crap again is to troll the site. End of story. Why do people fall for this shit?

[Franko]

@ Fraggle1

Thank for the support mate, much appreciated I assure you...

Being a Commodore (The real Commodore that is) user and fan for 30 year and being an Amiga fan & user for 25 of those, until June of last year when I finally decided to give the net a try, I was blissfully unaware of the fact that there were so many idiots that call themselves Amiga Users and fans until I found these types of forums that is...

Now I've no idea what the motivation is for some of these whahoos who post such crap around here with their never ending you can't do this and you can't that because it's IP/Copyright BS on stuff that the world couldn't give a shit about....

I really find it sad and almost embarrassing that these dunderheids call themselves Amiga users or Amiga fans as the constant BS that they like to drivel on about really spoils it for the genuine Amiga users & fans here, who want nothing more than to simply get on and use their Amigas for enjoyment & fun and not be bothered with they armchair copyright/IP wannabe lawyers who's only interest in the Amiga is posting absolute blatant gobshite on these forums...

Things sure have changed since the days when there were still plenty of other Amiga users and friends around locally that when we got together we talked about and used our Amiga for what they were made for fun, enjoyment & productivity , not this pathetic arguing and trying to prove pointless legal shit that the vast majority of us with sense could give a toss about...

Don't get me wrong there a plenty of great folks on this site who know what being an Amiga user is really all about and I'm glad to have interacted with them here, but for some strange reason these Amiga forums seem to attract more than their fair share of these wierdos and losers who's only goal in life seems to be to put the Amiga down at every chance they can get while trying to make themselves look clever by gibbering the biggest load of jobbies I've ever had the misfortune to read...

There an old saying round these parts... "There's Nowt As Queer As Folks"

And when it comes to Amiga forums never was a truer word spoken...

[Franko]

No he's not. He's already pulled this shit before and had to make a choice: a) remove the disk images off his site or b) pull the link to his site out of his signature and not talk about it on AO. He choose A. The situation isn't going to change. The only reason he's pulling this crap again is to troll the site. End of story. Why do people fall for this shit?

Wrong again (as usual) on all counts...

[mongo]

Ok mongo, I have great respect for your posts on this site and the help you give people here, so please tell me who I can contact to try and obtain a distribution licence to do so, that will satisfy everyone legally...

bill@amiga.com

[bloodline]

I will and I'll get back to you.  A4000 should be OK?

Yes, here is how to load the ROM file so that it boots the machine:

Copy bin/amiga-m68k/AROS/boot/aros.elf.gz and AROSBootstrap to a floppy, and run AROSBootstrap from a S:Startup-Sequence on the floppy, ie:

---- DF0:S/Startup-Sequence ----
AROSBootstrap aros.elf.gz
NewCLI
EndCLI


This is from the Dev list

[Franko]

bill@amiga.com

Well thanks for that but who is Bill and where can I find details on Amiga.com, don't want to go emailing some guy called Bill (could be the janitor for all I know) and I'd like to research Amiga.com first...

Just checked and a search for Amiga.com, took me to the AmigaInc site, I've contacted them twice and never received one reply...

[koaftder]

Wrong again (as usual) on all counts...

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56381

[Franko]

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56381

Sorry haven't a clue what your trying to say, that email I received turned out to be a fake, so your point is...

[mongo]

Well thanks for that but who is Bill and where can I find details on Amiga.com, don't want to go emailing some guy called Bill (could be the janitor for all I know) and I'd like to research Amiga.com first...

That would be Bill McEwen. I'm pretty sure Amiga Inc can't afford a janitor, so you don't have to worry about that.

Just checked and a search for Amiga.com, took me to the AmigaInc site, I've contacted them twice and never received one reply...

Maybe they're not interested in doing business with you. All things considered, I'm not exactly surprised.