An Open Letter to Dave Haynie

[Karlos]

Another thing: this is quite a serious thread, maybe some of you can stop posting bilge here that isn't relevant.
That would be nice, thanks.

Despite usually being the instigator of off-topic bilge, for once, I agree. All off-topic posts have been moved to this thread.

[lsmart]

It is perfectly reasonable for Piru to write an open letter to Dave Haynie in the light of these accusations.

No, it isn´t

[Piru]

No, it isn´t

Why not? (If the answer is "because it is pointless.", I ask, "why is it pointless?")

[Karlos]

The topic of this thread needs to be changed to "An immature, open rant about Dave Haynie" since you're too stubborn to actually contact him yourself.  It isn't like he's trying to hide from you.  Why are you making this so personal and airing such dirty laundry in the open?  The reasonable thing to do would be to contact him personally and settle your differences with him one-on-one instead of turning this site into your own little "I hate Dave" site.  Stop trying to drag MOS fans and the uninformed into your little mud-slinging tirade.

As much as I don't enjoy seeing threads like this one, I think you are reading too much into it. The accusations levelled against the MorphOS developers were made in the open, I see no reason why the accused shouldn't be able to challenge the claim in the open too. Furthermore, there's nothing particularly "ranty" about the opening post. It's terse and to the point, sure but nothing that could be construed as a personal attack in the forum TOS, as far as I can see.

While some comments in this thread intimate the view that he's an irrelevant has-been with nothing better to do than criticise everything post commodore, I still have a great deal of respect for Dave (besides, better to be a "has been" than a "was nobody"). Even if he totally hates MorphOS, OS4, AROS that's fine (everybody is entitled to their opinion), but making accusations without being prepared to back them up is a low blow in my opinion.

Piru obviously has a lot of time and effort invested in MorphOS and in his shoes I'd want to see some evidence to a claim like this.

[desiv]

... but making accusations without being prepared to back them up is a low blow in my opinion.

And for people who have read the amigaworld thread, he has backed them up.  
He has replied.

So there is no "low blow."

Whether or not it's enough to answer your personal questions is up to you..

desiv

[bloodline]

If I may chime in, reading Dave's comment, he did say that MOS was guilty of some of his accusations, not all of them... MOS might not have stolen code but they certainly have promoted as the "New Amiga OS" (as have all the next gen OS projects).

Just how I read it.

[Karlos]

And for people who have read the amigaworld thread, he has backed them up.  
He has replied.

Before, or after this thread was created?

So there is no "low blow."

Whether or not it's enough to answer your personal questions is up to you..

desiv

You're confusing me with Harry. I'm not the one asking any questions (well, except for the one above :lol:).

[warpdesign]

Microsoft thinks Linux stole code...
They are allowed..

Of course... But Microsoft saying, in public "Linux stole code" implies a lot of things, and causes damage to Linux. Just like saying in public that "MorphOS uses stolen code" causes damages to MorphOS'image, in addition to the people working on it (but who cares about human being here ? We're all in love with wires and 0-1...)...

[desiv]

Before, or after this thread was created?

After...

You're confusing me with Harry. I'm not the one asking any questions (well, except for the one above :lol:).

No I'm not:

a low blow in my opinion.

I was assuming the the phrase above was referring to your opinion, not Harry's...

desiv

[Karlos]

I was assuming the the phrase above was referring to your opinion, not Harry's...

It is my opinion but I was speaking generally when I said "... but making accusations without being prepared to back them up is a low blow in my opinion". If I had meant to refer to Dave specifically, I would have written "... but his making accusations..."

Apologies if that was not clear.

-edit-

Also, note that the remark cited above was a statement and not a question, which is why I responded to this statement of yours:

Whether or not it's enough to answer your personal questions is up to you..

Again, I'm not the one asking the question.

[ferrellsl]

You have got to be joking.

Mr. Haynie has repeatedly made defamatory accusations against MorphOS as well as its developers in public fora over the course of several years. And yet, you think it is the MorphOS developers who should discuss this only in private after being verbally violated in public over and over again?

You, sir, have a skewed sense of morality.

No, as I said in my earlier post, Piru needs to take it up with Dave personally instead of inviting people like you into getting involved and throwing around your opinion about matters that don't involve you.

And I find it really lame that Piru can be one of the lead MOS programmers but he finds it impossible to locate Dave's email address.  What should be inferred from that?

Pretty childish behavior.....he can't find the guy's email address to contact him so he just smears his name all over the Amiga.org.....lame, very lame.

[Piru]

No, as I said in my earlier post, Piru needs to take it up with Dave personally

Couple of things:

• I have better things to do than to try locate (working) email address of some random guy. Say like fix & port PFS3.
• Dave didn't make his accusations in private, nor is this the first time he's making the accusation.
• You have a weird definition for childish and lame. What should be inferred from that?

[Franko]

False accusations are definitely of interest. Some of you need to think about what it means to develop original content (whether it is writing, code, graphics or music) and then have someone else claim you didn't make that.
If that was me I would be fairly cheesed off and I would do the same thing as Piru has done.
 
Another thing: this is quite a serious thread, maybe some of you can stop posting bilge here that isn't relevant.
That would be nice, thanks.

If you know these accusations that are being made are false then why don't you post the proof here and put an end to this as neither the accused or the accuser seem willing to supply any answers...

Or perhaps your post isn't relevant either...

[number6]

Couple of things:

• I have better things to do than to try locate (working) email address of some random guy. Say like fix & port PFS3.
• Dave didn't make his accusations in private, nor is this the first time he's making the accusation.
• You have a weird definition for childish and lame. What should be inferred from that?

Did the email address from the link I gave you in this thread not work? I can't tell from your post.

#6

[Fats]

AROS Public License clearly allows that. Furthermore the MorphOS Team has contributed their changes back to AROS.

Now you mention it, I was never satisfied how the AROS code was handled by the MorphOS Team; especially how an AROS Team member (Georg Steger) had to dig through your code to get the code back into AROS.
The least you could have done is make an archive of the APL covered code on a regular basis for the AROS people to port back what they wanted.

And I also guess in the last years no bug fixes have been done in the APL code as I haven't seen anything coming from MorphOS in a long time. IMHO it is your task to obey the APL license and we should not have to beg for it.

Of course, as an open source guy I would prefer it if you would open source the full libraries that contain APL code; but like you said that is not a requirement of the APL license.

greets,
Staf.

[desiv]

Again, I'm not the one asking the question.

Ah!
THAT Question..  Now I get it..  :hammer:
I can be a bit slow, but only on days whose names end in "y."

desiv