CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney

[WolfToTheMoon]

meh - nothing against the old A500, but I was always a bigger fan of the original breadbox designs for the in-keyboard (or the A600/1200 style).  A500 looked just like a C128 to me.

Me too...

The A500x will not be an exact replica of the A500, as far as I understand. Expect something in between A500 and A1200. Probably something mora similar to the Amiga Fantasy case than A500.

[persia]

So Wolf to the Moon is no longer pretending to be an interested bystander?

[commodorejohn]

In one example I might put it like this... "Hey your favorite pet of 20 year is gone, sorry about that. But no worries, here's a new different pet. But we named it the same so you're all patched up now. Time to put a smile on and move along." I feel such an attitude disrespectful to some folks who have been our friends along time. Of course some don't and probably prefer more sentimental types leave. That is the "them +1" I refer to.

Pretty much this, but that is exactly why I do mourn this kind of thing - these people come along touting their wares as if they're actually a replacement for the Amiga, and then half the people here get so doe-eyed at the sight of shiny baubles! that they will smile and nod and go along with absolutely anything their new sugar-daddy wants, just because they're so obsessed with the idea that it's totally a real product again, now nobody can make fun of me for using an old computer.

So they stand around applauding like idiots, the stubborn old cranks reinforce their commitment to never trusting anything or anyone ever again, and people like me who would actually like to see a new Amiga product but aren't willing to pretend that commodity Intel hardware in a nice case is totally the same thing as a classic home computer are left with nowhere to turn.

[EDanaII]

Well said, CommodoreJohn, well said.

[redrumloa]

Pretty much this, but that is exactly why I do mourn this kind of thing - these people come along touting their wares as if they're actually a replacement for the Amiga, and then half the people here get so doe-eyed at the sight of shiny baubles! that they will smile and nod and go along with absolutely anything their new sugar-daddy wants, just because they're so obsessed with the idea that it's totally a real product again, now nobody can make fun of me for using an old computer.

So they stand around applauding like idiots, the stubborn old cranks reinforce their commitment to never trusting anything or anyone ever again, and people like me who would actually like to see a new Amiga product but aren't willing to pretend that commodity Intel hardware in a nice case is totally the same thing as a classic home computer are left with nowhere to turn.

So it should be banned and not discussed? Everyone should stick their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALALALALALALALA as loud as they can? Only "teh true Amiga" should be discussed? The problem with that is "teh true Amiga" is a moving target.

The Kommunity went through the same thing with PUP/WUP, Amithlon, AROS, MorphOS, OS4, emulation etc etc. Every time something new came about there was a portion of the Kommunity who wanted it censored at best or the people involved hanged at worst.

What is happening right now with CUSA news is nothing new. There is a portion of the Kommunity who wants to castigate anyone who dares acknowledge CUSA's existence or speculate on upcoming projects.

This isn't a religion.

[Plaz]

So it should be banned and not discussed?

Sure discuss it, not a problem for me. Could we have a little more separation between  church and state though? I agree that the new Commodore isn't going away and some are going to have to adjust to the fact. But I grow weary of the constant invasion of classic topics by the new order. A bit of mod adjsutments might do wonders.

This isn't a religion.

Then why are you bashing it like one?

Plaz

[dammy]

In one example I might put it like this... "Hey your favorite pet of 20 year is gone, sorry about that. But no worries, here's a new different pet. But we named it the same so you're all patched up now. Time to put a smile on and move along." I feel such an attitude disrespectful to some folks who have been our friends along time. Of course some don't and probably prefer more sentimental types leave. That is the "them +1" I refer to.

And and fear I've probably not made my point any clearer.

Plaz

Question is, what are you going to do, have old Fido stuffed so he can sit in his corner for the rest of eternity? Oh, and no new dog(s), they would just remind you of Fido.  

Back in the day, I remember a lot of screaming going on when C= brought out the A4000 and the Toaster guys were SOL.  I also remember complaining about the new WB not working for anything below 020 (I had a 000 at 28MHz).  I was clearly not happy when the Teron mobo rebadged as AmigaOne came out, I felt slighted that a dodgy rebadged mobo came out that was going to destroy the Amiga name.  History repeats itself, now it's a new generation of Amigas.  We have an adjustment coming up and depending on what COS turns out to be, might be easier to accept or more difficult, time will tell.

[Karlos]

We have an adjustment coming up and depending on what COS turns out to be, might be easier to accept or more difficult, time will tell.

Well, if it is what it was hinted to be, I already run linux and am happy enough with the distro I'm using

[commodorejohn]

So it should be banned and not discussed? Everyone should stick their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALALALALALALALA as loud as they can? Only "teh true Amiga" should be discussed?

I never said that, nor meant to imply it. I don't (in theory) have a problem with threads about C-USA or their fancy PC clones. What I do have a problem with is people who act as though C-USA is now the official One True Way, and anybody who still wants something that is actually in any way based on or inspired by the historical Amiga is a backwards hermit whose sad devotion to that ancient religion needs to be hammered down until they get in line and buy the Numiga. They can piss off; they're no more the True Arbiters of What Amiga Means than I am.

[dammy]

Well, if it is what it was hinted to be, I already run linux and am happy enough with the distro I'm using

To tell you the truth, I personally do not know what OS is going to be the base for COS.  You can make a stab at it, but I'd hold off betting the family farm on it.

[EDanaII]

To tell you the truth, I personally do not know what OS is going to be the base for COS.  You can make a stab at it, but I'd hold off betting the family farm on it.

And there in lays the rub... given their current business model, what they are going to give us is a Linux (or Android) box with the Amiga label on it. Nothing "Amiga-like" is ever going to happen unless they switch to a more profitable model, and the more profitable model is, sadly, something that is non Amiga-like. Catch 22.

Better just to leave the name alone...

[Darrin]

To tell you the truth, I personally do not know what OS is going to be the base for COS.  You can make a stab at it, but I'd hold off betting the family farm on it.

It is a rather sad business that doesn't allow their PR Reps to know what they're trying to push.

[mel_zoom]

Ive not bothered with any of this for a while but I think I might as well stand up and be counted.

It seems fitting that this new commodore is associated with disney as they share a common interest in marketing fairytales :roll:

I may be too young to claim I was a first generation commodore user but having inherited them from an older brother I remember them fondly and still have a working amiga that I still use sometimes. This new commodore seems to have no such sense of nostalgia and interested only in making a quick dollar selling devices you can already buy elsewhere for less. Theres no visible affection for anything or respect for anyone in the existing community and even a sense of glee from some that they are going to upset as many people as possible.

[dammy]

And there in lays the rub... given their current business model, what they are going to give us is a Linux (or Android) box with the Amiga label on it. Nothing "Amiga-like" is ever going to happen unless they switch to a more profitable model, and the more profitable model is, sadly, something that is non Amiga-like. Catch 22.

Better just to leave the name alone...

Again, I wouldn't be too fast in saying it's Linux.  Might be, might not be.  I don't know.  What is going to be on the C64x is going to be Linux, that is a given.  What is in store for the Commodore Amiga series, OTOH, is unknown right now.

[dammy]

It is a rather sad business that doesn't allow their PR Reps to know what they're trying to push.

I'm not an employee of C=USA nor am I an investor.  So I get what is given to me and I am nice enough to communicate it.  You don't like my post, ignore them.  C64x launch is Tuesday and units will ship in a couple of weeks.  You don't like the C64x, don't buy it, it's just that simple.  I personally have no plans in buying a C64x.

[dammy]

Ive not bothered with any of this for a while but I think I might as well stand up and be counted.

It seems fitting that this new commodore is associated with disney as they share a common interest in marketing fairytales :roll:

I may be too young to claim I was a first generation commodore user but having inherited them from an older brother I remember them fondly and still have a working amiga that I still use sometimes. This new commodore seems to have no such sense of nostalgia and interested only in making a quick dollar selling devices you can already buy elsewhere for less. Theres no visible affection for anything or respect for anyone in the existing community and even a sense of glee from some that they are going to upset as many people as possible.

That's pretty harsh considering C=USA hasn't talked much about the Commodore Amiga series.  Why not wait until you hear the facts before you condemn them?