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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #179 on: April 04, 2011, 02:43:22 AM »
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Can we keep it? Can we? Can we?

We have been very tolerant of opinions, but comments like this really are personal attacks.

Everyone, you can be as negative as you wish but PLEASE refrain from personal attacks.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #180 on: April 04, 2011, 02:47:14 AM »
To ease the tensions(and still be ontopic)...

 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #181 on: April 04, 2011, 02:50:57 AM »
I'd like to throw in my experience as well.
I initially sent a fairly harsh e-mail to Barry Altman, before the C=USA website was up.
And if I remember right, Redrumloa was also initially skeptical, posting an image of Barry's Florida home (since that's what listed in the corporate filings).
But you know he responded to my e-mail with an invitation to call and talk with him and an offer to answer any questions I had.
And after doing so, I don't feel fair treating him like an asshole.
He is an experienced businessman (and a former C64 user) with a plan to start a fairly well thought out business venture.
And except for slipping a little on the timeline (which all organizations do) he's done exactly what he described to me in our initial contact.

I'm beginning to think that he may be right about some of you, that a lot of this hostility stems from jealousy.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #182 on: April 04, 2011, 02:53:08 AM »
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To ease the tensions(and still be ontopic)...


Hmm, suddenly I think I might like to see this movie.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #183 on: April 04, 2011, 03:06:58 AM »
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And if I remember right, Redrumloa was also initially skeptical, posting an image of Barry's Florida home  

I was pretty harsh about his early missteps. Harsh is probably putting it kindly as I really drew the ire of Barry and made him perform another misstep:lol: I never did post a picture of his home though. I joked about doing it but I never did it. For the record Barry has a very nice house.

Barry is a real business man, assembling a real team and is laying down real money. Will he ultimately succeed or fail? I can't say. I will agree that many assessments are off base and seem almost religious in nature.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #184 on: April 04, 2011, 03:12:15 AM »
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Barry is a real business man, assembling a real team and is laying down real money. Will he ultimately succeed or fail? I can't say. I will agree that many assessments are off base and seem almost religious in nature.

I'd like to quote one of my favorite TV characters





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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #185 on: April 04, 2011, 03:17:01 AM »
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So this whole rage thing is about protecting Hyperion?
Speaking only for myself: I do not give a tinker's damn about Hyperion. I will not be arsed to defend them against anybody's claims or vitriol, and none of my dislike of CUSA comes out of some misguided sense of loyalty. I will note, however, that they are at least selling something based on something related to the Amiga. CUSA has not done that, and despite certain people's speculations, I find it unlikely that they are going to (and I maintain my solemn vow to buy a hat and eat it should I be proved wrong.) If their "Amiga" line is anything like their "C64" line, it is at best a misnomer and at worst actively misleading, and no amount of money paid to any vulture that grabbed a copyright at an estate sale is going to change that.

Nevertheless, I withhold the majority of my venom from them, as they do appear (despite initial appearances and one extremely bad PR person) to be shipping an actual product that, while misleadingly named, will in fact match up with the specifications they published. Instead, I choose to disdain the CUSA zealots who rave at every turn about how majestic this company is for producing a PC clone in a fancy case and getting it into stores, and how financial success makes them the One True Future of Amiga, as if this were some 18th-century marriage of convenience where financial prospects are infinitely more important than actually giving a damn about your partner.

CUSA has shown zero interest in serving the Amiga community anything but a prefab case with a boing-ball sticker on it and some "totally going to be specified in the near future, like, seriously, any day now" hardware inside, a neat trick which allows their zealots to claim that "you totally can't claim it's going to be another PC clone, because you don't know that for absolutely certain yet!" They've provided only vague hints about maybe possibly developing an OS or something, we dunno, we'll see what we feel like, continually hinting that actual meaningful information is just around the corner, for real!

A company that did this to any other community would be justly labeled a cock-tease and hounded out, but around here people are so desperate and willing to believe in and proselytize anything as long as it means they might finally be able to buy something with an "Amiga" label on it, because somehow commercial availability is the one meaningful definition of success, trumping every single other factor. You could sell used tampons to this community if you licensed the Amiga name for them.

But it doesn't matter, because CUSA is going to release their gussied-up PC clone and the zealots will be all over it, and the dipshit tech-journalism industry will be gushing about "the return of Commodore," and nobody will ever stop to wonder when product names stopped signifying things and started signifying clans. Congratulations, you bought an Apple; you're now a discriminating elitist ready to follow Steve Jobs into the future. Congratulations, you bought a C64x; you're part of the Altman Army, ready to storm the industry and bring down the establishment - BY BECOMING IT. How stupid are the people in this community?
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #186 on: April 04, 2011, 03:29:55 AM »
Barry appears to be a worthy successor to Jack Tramiel.   Reality doesn't matter, what drive the market is what's in the mind of consumers, Barry is playing to that.  Why would you buy Barry's Chinese stuff over someone else's Chinese stuff.  1) Because it looks different 2) Because it has a story.  A bit quirky, a bit out of the norm.  People like that.  

Is Barry's story real or an illusion?  No one will ever know.  Furniture salesman, satellite TV installer.  Again that could have be Jack.  Like it or not C=USA is a lot like CBM...
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #187 on: April 04, 2011, 03:32:57 AM »
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Barry appears to be a worthy successor to Jack Tramiel. Reality doesn't matter, what drive the market is what's in the mind of consumers, Barry is playing to that. Why would you buy Barry's Chinese stuff over someone else's Chinese stuff. 1) Because it looks different 2) Because it has a story. A bit quirky, a bit out of the norm. People like that.
 
Is Barry's story real or an illusion? No one will ever know. Furniture salesman, satellite TV installer. Again that could have be Jack. Like it or not C=USA is a lot like CBM...

Lets see what happens when actual product get shipped.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #188 on: April 04, 2011, 03:57:29 AM »
Hi,

@Everyone,

Well now we talk of Hyperion, so lets talk, I am sitting here with a PPC 603e, Blizzard board in my Amiga 1200, I have been looking for a legit copy of OS 4.0 for it, tried all three active Amiga stores (amigakit, software hut, & versilla if there are more please tell me), none of them have OS 4.0, wrote to Hyperion about buying no answer, WHERE THE FRAP IS SUPPORT FOR MY A1200. I don't want to buy a mini miga, sam flex 440 because once again where is the support?  I see no mags, no commercial software no software companies giving any support at all, just a bunch of amatuers playing around. I have 3 illegal copies of OS 4.0 that don't work from 3 seperate people. Once again where is the support? I have tried icaros on several different computers, no workee, once again where is the support, I have looked at morphos, talk about babble on, didn't see anything on their site that supports a ppc A1200, a lot of MAC support though, and you all know how I feel about MACs, I would rather use a VIC 20 for the rest of my life than use a MAC, worse yet a Z80 computer running CPM than a MAC.

Now CUSA is doing something you don't like, well it is really quite simple, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY IT. To all you Amiga religious fanatic loonies, Jay Miner once said that if he knew that the Intel chips where going to turn into something like the 386 he would have used that processor in the Amiga when he was designing it, but at that time the 68000 and the 8088, or 8086 where the ones on the table so he used the most powerful processor at that time the 68000.

Oh Franko, I know I left out the 6502, Z80, etc. we are talking about newer processors at that time, not hobby chips.

Make it simple people, Buy what you like, don't buy what you don't like, money talks BS walks, That sounded good lets say it again,

MONEY TALKS, BULLSHIT WALKS.

I really hate using that word on a public board, but it might make you understand, I am for the Company that is going to offer me SUPPORT. Not a year novelty, not something that is here today gone tomorrow.

OS4.0 -- gone
AROS -- never here
MorphOS -- never here
minimig -- is it really here? are commercial users buying it, ( 3 amiga stores)
SAM 440e -- right now the greatest hope but is it real, will it catch on.

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #189 on: April 04, 2011, 04:04:02 AM »
Well Smerf,

MorphOS for PPC equipped Amigas is available (require RTG though) and I have a link for it, but it seems down right now.

http://powerup.morphos-team.net/
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #190 on: April 04, 2011, 04:18:25 AM »
Hi,

@Commodorejohn,

You know I wish I could live in the past like some of you. The fact of the matter is even my arch rival Apple saw the light and moved over to the X86 type CPU's they saw that the 68000 series and even the PPC chips where going obsolete.

The only difference is -- they had the money and the talent to rewrite their OS for the new Apples, they had their own money and people that could do a restart and make it work.

What does Amiga have, a bunch of darn whiners that whine about everything, they aren't putting any money up, they aren't risking their bankroll but they are complaining about a second chance.

I am not, because I have seen the light, it came about 5 years ago, when Far Cry came out, I said wow, now if they could only put this game on the Amiga.

Well guess what they can't -- comparing the graphics and sound of Far Cry would be like trying to run a game for the Amiga on the Vic 20. It just isn't possible. That's right CJ we are talking games here, you know the things that made Amiga tick. You want to talk Amiga's Cliche -- video processing, guess what it doesn't lead the field anymore, MAC has taken over, and PC is right on its heals. Don't even try to talk business programs or multi tasking, the PC will wipe the Amiga slick today.

So

What would you do if you had the money and the power to start a computer company?

What new innovations would you bring out?

What would your computer do that stood out from all the rest?

Jay had it easy when he built the Amiga.

Hey Mr. Haynee, if you read these boards, maybe you could give us some insight.

How about you Mr. Sachs?

I hear everyone yelling foul, but I see no base hits.

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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #191 on: April 04, 2011, 04:30:23 AM »
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In case you missed it earlier Darrin, I'm not an employee nor am I an investor of C=USA.  In fact I can remember feeling the rage you have right now when they deluded the worthy Amiga name by some rebadged h0rked up PPC mobo with the name AmigaOne which sold initially running only Linux.   You had the same rage back then, right?


Whether you are being paid by Barry stroking your ego, stroking your wallet or just shipping you a "free product", you're employed by him to run his propaganda machine as shown by your position on his website.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #192 on: April 04, 2011, 04:35:30 AM »
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Your history is a little weak Darrin. You seem to forget the Bridgeboard pre-installed in many big box Amigas. You also seem to forget the A3000UX which came with only Unix at some dealers.


Jim, that is the worst strawman argument I have ever witnessed, and I hang out in Sci-Fi forums!  ;)

For starters, the Bridgeboard was pre-installed in a minority of computers to target the small number of business customers who also wanted to run MSDOS software without cluttering up their desktop with 2 machines.  It was still an "Amiga", but it just happened to have some hardware to allow it to run MSDOS applications.  It was never a PC.

Again the A3000UX was a specialist machine targeted at a specific audience and was not the "Standard Amiga".

Commodore also shipped A2000s to schools complete with BBC-B emulators loaded, but they certainly didn't add an ACORN sticker to the front of the box or market them as "Arcon Amiga BBC Model B2000".
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #193 on: April 04, 2011, 04:38:22 AM »
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Why is Commodore brand any different than the Amiga brand? Hyperion went to court and got what seems like a very favorable settlement. Hyperion could have done the exact same thing as CUSA but they did not. Business is business and AFAIK Hyperion is irrelevant to CUSA's plans. Irrelevant is a far cry from sticking it to Hyperion.


You have it in reverse.  Commodore was always the manufacturer and they made Commodore products no matter what processor or OS they used.  Amiga was the range of computer that natively ran a particular OS.  That OS was never Linux or Windows.

So, once again, these Commodore tablets are about as "Amiga" as my grandmother's tits.  End of story.
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Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
« Reply #194 from previous page: April 04, 2011, 04:39:17 AM »
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To ease the tensions(and still be ontopic)...


Great, now what the hell do I do with this painful swelling?  :mad:
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