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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #209 from previous page: March 11, 2011, 11:13:19 AM »
For a thread that started talking about an iPad it really has branched out into many different discussions from iTunes to guitar effects processors.

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #210 on: March 11, 2011, 11:25:58 AM »
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Gawd... what a sad & crazy statement to make... :(

How on earth could you class someone as an Artist if all they did "was press a button"... :(


The point I was making is that what I care about it the product, it doesn't matter much to me how they get to that product. Obviously, if all they needed to do was pressing a button, the real artist would be whomever developed the system actually producing the music.

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Without going into my likes & dislikes of what I call music and artists, a simple fact remains if an Artist or Band cant play well live then they are indeed talentless... :)


I disagree. Playing live vs. composing music vs. putting on a good stage show are three different, orthogonal skills, and few artists have all three.

For something that exemplifies this well, look at electronic music pioneers like Jarre and Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk aren't even on stage during the performance of some of their work, and most of the members are for larger parts of the shows pretty much just performing stage shows rather than playing music (one of them triggers a speech synthesizer instead of singing himself, for example), though they *can* play too.

Jarre does tend to play and have band members play, but it's largely theatrics as most of his pieces could easily enough just be pre-programmed into his synths.

In both cases their main talent is composing and the stage shows, and actually playing the music live is an optional element.

On the other hand, most pop artists these days don't compose their own material - their talent is performing, not composing or writing lyrics.

Which ones are the true "artists"? It depends entirely on what aspect you find most interesting. I care about the music, not the performance beyond what is needed to make it sound good.

If their performance can be assisted by tools, I really don't care, as long as the end result is good. If the tools become the majority of their performance, all that changes is that their talents are in how they use the tools rather than in singing or playing an instrument - they still need to find a way to make their performance stand out.
 

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #211 on: March 11, 2011, 11:26:59 AM »
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For a thread that started talking about an iPad it really has branched out into many different discussions from iTunes to guitar effects processors.

Love it!


Talking about anything other than the iPad can only be a good thing, after all this is an Amiga forum and the iPad has about as much relevance here as all the other off topic stuff going on... :D
 

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #212 on: March 11, 2011, 11:54:44 AM »
@ vidarth

You don't have to be able to see (ie:you could be blind) to enjoy a good live band, yes it's about the music whether it's carefully crafted and produced in a studio or played well live on stage, if your at a live concert and just staring at the band then your not really enjoying the musical performance... :)

At a live show you should hardly notice the actual band on stage as you should be lost in a world of dance and listening to the music... :)

Yes most of these talentless wonder these days don't write their own music or lyrics or even have the skill to play an instrument, but even the biggest bands ever in the world (for example the Rolling Stones) never wrote all their own music, success for bands such as them was mostly down to the lead singers vocal talents and the band members ability and skill to play their own instruments... :)

Trouble is since the days of Stock, Aitken and Waterman, music (and I use that term loosely) has been manufactured to make as much money as possible by taking mostly talentless wonders to create a glossy image that is bought by a public who wouldn't know or appreciate good music if it slapped them in the face... :)

Point is, you can take someone off the street or one of those crappy so called talent shows on tv and and sell absolute shite to the vast majority of people these days just because they think it's the latest thing and is cool and trendy (a bit like the iPad), when at the end of the day it's nothing but crap bought by sheep because they don't want to be the odd one out or have the guts to stand up and say this is a load of BS... :)
 

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #213 on: March 11, 2011, 12:17:31 PM »
The abilities of the ipad in turning crap into talent has obvious limitations as seen below when someone tried to 'talentise' Doomy's smash hit single 'Only Amiga' :hammer:

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #214 on: March 11, 2011, 12:21:12 PM »
aaand roll VT... :D

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #215 on: March 11, 2011, 12:50:16 PM »
Set doomy free.  To sell iPad vOnes to unsuspecting ebayers...
 

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #216 on: March 11, 2011, 12:51:47 PM »
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Set doomy free.  To sell iPad vOnes to unsuspecting ebayers...


They'd have to be full military spec of course... :)
 

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #217 on: March 11, 2011, 12:58:55 PM »
I saw a few military spec eye pads on a recent doco on a US field hosp in afghanistan. But they were of the surgical cotton type.

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« Reply #218 on: March 11, 2011, 01:06:45 PM »
Samplers were once evil hardware for talentless wannabes, so were computer based sequencers, so were virtual instruments, same for time stretching, pitch shifting, auto tune and other effects done in software.

For the last few years a 100% software based studio has been possible due to increasing hardware speeds, this in turn led to the reality of the portable studio due to laptop technology.

A tablet today has the performance of a top spec laptop from a few years ago and with it this opens new areas of innovation and experimentation for producers and musicians just like all the evil new products that came before them such as multitrack tape recorders and guitars that plug into the mains.
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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #219 on: March 11, 2011, 02:14:58 PM »
iPads and Android tablets are not going away anytime soon, they're just too darn convenient.  You don't really understand them until you actually have one.  Once you have one you get it.  iPad has the software and momentum.  Android the army of manufacturers much like the PCs.  It will be interesting and fun to see how this plays out.
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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #220 on: March 11, 2011, 03:12:58 PM »
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iPads and Android tablets are not going away anytime soon, they're just too darn convenient.  You don't really understand them until you actually have one.  Once you have one you get it.  iPad has the software and momentum.  Android the army of manufacturers much like the PCs.  It will be interesting and fun to see how this plays out.


What's convenient about carrying an overgrown mobile phone around with you, not to mention the fact that it just makes you look like a pretentious twat... :D
 

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #221 on: March 11, 2011, 03:17:58 PM »
Use one, then comment.  There's nothing pretentious about it, it does a job that no other bit of tech kit does.  iPad, Android tablets, RIM's Play thing, HP's Maeamo Slate.  It's a bit like the PC world of the '80s where Amiga was born.

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What's convenient about carrying an overgrown mobile phone around with you, not to mention the fact that it just makes you look like a pretentious twat... :D
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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #222 on: March 11, 2011, 03:23:47 PM »
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Use one, then comment.  There's nothing pretentious about it, it does a job that no other bit of tech kit does.  iPad, Android tablets, RIM's Play thing, HP's Maeamo Slate.  It's a bit like the PC world of the '80s where Amiga was born.


I have used one, my nephews, which he has for the last 3 months or so left lying in a cupboard unused and it's nothing more than a glorified extra large mobile phone... :)

Nothing like the PC world of the 80s or the Amiga, we didn't walk down the street or sit on a train with an A1000 & monitor under our arm or sitting on our lap to try and look cool... :lol:
 

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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #223 on: March 12, 2011, 12:53:02 AM »
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Samplers were once evil hardware for talentless wannabes, so were computer based sequencers, so were virtual instruments, same for time stretching, pitch shifting, auto tune and other effects done in software.

For the last few years a 100% software based studio has been possible due to increasing hardware speeds, this in turn led to the reality of the portable studio due to laptop technology.

A tablet today has the performance of a top spec laptop from a few years ago and with it this opens new areas of innovation and experimentation for producers and musicians just like all the evil new products that came before them such as multitrack tape recorders and guitars that plug into the mains.

Which is exactly what i said in a post yesterday. Maybe you should get your eyes checked and stop repeating posts.
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Re: iPad 2
« Reply #224 on: March 12, 2011, 12:59:56 AM »
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Nothing like the PC world of the 80s or the Amiga, we didn't walk down the street or sit on a train with an A1000 & monitor under our arm or sitting on our lap to try and look cool... :lol:

So everyone DIDN'T do that? I used to do it because i thought everyone did it and i didn't want to be different :(

P.S. i use to pretend it was a gettoblaster and thought i was as cool as s**t :)
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