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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #44 from previous page: March 02, 2011, 05:14:43 PM »
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SDL software wont be an option for 68k software.
Don't tell Novacoder that.  Just let him continue on with his ScummVM ports.

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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2011, 05:22:47 PM »
@fishy_fiz:
i think the active natami team devs atm are those that help gunnar with his game (i was asked to join to do exactly that, lol, but refused). on the other hand i ve heard of many knowledgable people who proposed their help with no response, which is really dumb in my opinion, because it could actually speed up the bringup very much.
besides, since ive seen you are looking for a programming challenge, maybe it would be better to help with middleware instead porting a single game. 68k sdl might use some speedup if feaqsable in fact, but even more important would be aros zune update to mui4 compatibility. there is even a bounty for that, which in effect would allow us to have mos owb on aros and particularly 68k. zune is being taken care atm and most things on 68k work correctly by now.
 

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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2011, 05:23:06 PM »
It was only a few years ago when I was the only one without an rtg based amiga system amongst my group (of about 20 of us). I really think you underestimate how many people have things like a grex, a prometheus, a mediator, are using zorro slots, using isa slots, using a p5 gfx card and so on. I also think you vastly overestimate C vs. asm. A quick glance at aminet at any time in the last 5 years shows that asm is a minority language. Performance between code generated from a good c compiler isnt massively different to that written in asm, although the quality of the code is down to the coder as much as anything.

And Im absolutely not missing the point youre trying to make, but what you seem to be missing is that just because its new, doesnt mean it'll be reliable. As for compatibility, is 100% the actual target? Once upon a time likely compatibility was being touted at about 30%.
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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2011, 05:24:18 PM »
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Don't tell Novacoder that.  Just let him continue on with his ScummVM ports.

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Novacoder didnt use SDL for his ScummVM version. It was based on the exisitng AGA version + his own work.
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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2011, 05:25:24 PM »
btw ive made a few 68k sdl ports and while most things are really too slow for an 060/50 there is some apparently well programmed and nost so demanding stuff that works well. so maybe it is not beyond a reason to tweak sdl yet a little.
 

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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2011, 05:40:50 PM »
Apparently, ASM Pro is being updated...
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=6¬e=33870&z=Q3_xh4

The demo-coder scene seems to be anticipating NATAMI as well...
 

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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2011, 05:43:19 PM »
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Novacoder didnt use SDL for his ScummVM version. It was based on the exisitng AGA version + his own work.
Ooopps.
My bad..

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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2011, 05:48:19 PM »
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Ooopps.
My bad..

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Anything but the SDL?

How much RTG software is out there now?
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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2011, 05:52:27 PM »
Anyway, I'll leave the Natami threads alone from now on I guess. It's no secret by now that I think its just as farcical as anything else relating to new Amiga hardware (capital "A"), there's no need for me to keep harping on it. There is a couple of talented people involved and all credit to them for thier efforts, but Im dubious at best and find it mostly a clown show besides a couple of people involved.
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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2011, 06:00:57 PM »
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How much RTG software is out there now?


Shedloads.
Doom/Heretic/Hexen/Quake/Quake2/Descent/Descent Freespace/Napalm/Earth 2140/Payback/Trapped/Trapped2/Genetic Species (via official update)/Nightlong/Feeble Files/Duke3d/AB3d-2:TKG (via patch)/Nemac IV/Onescapee/Ultimate Gloom/Zombie Massacre to name but a few games. Anything system friendly really. The list really is too long :)
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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2011, 06:03:28 PM »
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Anyway, I'll leave the Natami threads alone from now on I guess. It's no secret by now that I think its just as farcical as anything else relating to new Amiga hardware (capital "A"), there's no need for me to keep harping on it. There is a couple of talented people involved and all credit to them for thier efforts, but Im dubious at best and find it mostly a clown show besides a couple of people involved.


The point of threat not only to keep an eye on Natami now more then ever,
but that ALL OF US NEED one centralized "68k best off", in OS area, games area, RTG games and apps etc.
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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2011, 06:04:21 PM »
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The demo-coder scene seems to be anticipating NATAMI as well...

Really? I haven't seen much excitement, rather the opposite.
 

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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2011, 06:07:55 PM »
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The point of threat not only to keep an eye on Natami now more then ever,
but that ALL OF US NEED one centralized "68k best off", in OS area, games area, RTG games and apps etc.


Sure, and I appologize for going off topic to the thread. I got a bit caught up in slightly off topic conversations within the thread, but I've said what I wanted to say now :)
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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2011, 08:29:59 PM »
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Really? I haven't seen much excitement, rather the opposite.


I have to admit, the first thing I did when I saw a thread with "Natami" in the title was skim through looking for the obligatory Piru naysay comment. :D
 

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Re: 68k library DVD for Natami MX
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2011, 09:06:45 PM »
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Really? I haven't seen much excitement, rather the opposite.


Yes, and I've seen the opposite of your opposite...