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Offline A4000_Mad

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #44 from previous page: February 13, 2011, 09:39:41 AM »
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There is this one on evilbay uk, hasn't reached a crazy price yet but that doesn't usually happen until the last 15 minutes... :)

BLIZZARD060 32MB RAM

(actually bidding on it myself... :))

Hmmm... It is unusual for someone to point others in the direction of something they are bidding on themselves. Looks like you were are throwing down a gauntlet to me, matey ;)
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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2011, 04:13:02 PM »
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I've had both, and the 68060 is so much quicker in everything-particularly if you have an A3640 with its crippled memory bus.  

And YES AGA draw functions are faster on the 68060 too, I once knew why, but not now, sorry.  And i'm not talking about C2P, i mean even things like scala and dpaint which bang the AGA chipset directly are smoother and faster with graphical functions.

it really is a new order of performance when you go from the '040 to the '060.


What's the issue with the memory bus?  It's not also 25 MHz??
 

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2011, 04:25:21 PM »
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Lol :roflmao:
 
Actually I was that stupid yeah, I have a 975 EE, but as Franko said like a Blizzard 1260 it runs rings around most processors.
My 975 EE is running @ 4GHz on air cooling, no need for insane cooling upgrades, just a Prolimatech Megahalems Rev B with a push pull fan config at low rpm's.
 
But like any 060 card I also have a Cyberstorm 060/PPC 50/200 with 128MB, but this thing leaves a dust cloud when compared to it's SCSI performance on a Blizzard 1260 with SCSI kit.
 
Nothing beats a good powerful setup, but the question is, are you really going to use it ?
In the Amiga world, if you only do games, it's useless, your better off with a good 030.
Lesson learned already.
 
So then what ? it's not like your going to use it for video work, your pc is about 1000 times faster in that area.
Music ? well no need for a 060 there.
Demos ? yeah could be, but you have to be pretty good at it.
 
It's that I got the Cyberstorm and Blizzard 2060 / 1260 for reasonable prices, but at what they sell now, NO FREAKING WAY!


...but at what they sell now, NO FREAKING WAY!

And you bought a Pentium 975EE?

It's a phenomenal example of market pricing, isn't it?

Although not as extreme, similar conditions played a role in my having to pay over $150 for a 1.8Ghz upgrade for my Powermac.
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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2011, 04:40:02 PM »
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...but at what they sell now, NO FREAKING WAY!
 
And you bought a Pentium 975EE?
 
It's a phenomenal example of market pricing, isn't it?
 
Although not as extreme, similar conditions played a role in my having to pay over $150 for a 1.8Ghz upgrade for my Powermac.

A 975EE at 900 dollars or so is a bit more usefull than a 1200 dollar Cyberstorm PPC, wouldn't you agree ? :)
Same as 400 dollar Blizzard 1260 vs 950 Core I7.
In both cases I would chose the I7 anyday.
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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2011, 07:05:46 PM »
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A 975EE at 900 dollars or so is a bit more usefull than a 1200 dollar Cyberstorm PPC, wouldn't you agree ? :)
Same as 400 dollar Blizzard 1260 vs 950 Core I7.
In both cases I would chose the I7 anyday.


If it was a matter of having 1200 dollars burning a hole in my pocket, I'd buy the 1260 and an X86 processor (and probably have money left over).

The last X86 processor I bought was a Phenom X3 740 at $69.95 (not exactly a high end processor).
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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2011, 07:11:58 PM »
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A 975EE at 900 dollars or so is a bit more usefull than a 1200 dollar Cyberstorm PPC, wouldn't you agree ? :)
Same as 400 dollar Blizzard 1260 vs 950 Core I7.
In both cases I would chose the I7 anyday.

Wouldn't pay 1200 for a cyberstorm for sure, but Im not sure if the choice between a 1260 and an I7 is really comparable, even if the price is for insane reasons.
 
The fastest I7 in the world isn't going to make my amiga any happier :)
 

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2011, 09:30:13 PM »
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What's the issue with the memory bus?  It's not also 25 MHz??


The A3640+A4000 motherboard combination results in very slow ram access to the motherboard fast ram.  Check out the Aminet AIBB modules for RAM speeds for A4000's with the A3640 compared to any other 68040 accelerator, all of which have their own on-card RAM sockets.  Outside of benchmarking software, you really feel the slow ram access, from hard drive loading times, to screen re-draws on graphics cards.
 

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2011, 01:14:13 AM »
I've got a B1260 and I like that I can do things like playing this video I have just done in HAM (do you like it?) while booting (I beg you pardon as I'm waiting my birthday to change this shit of Tv.... all dark in it, with the contrast and light at max... and the camera will have to wait...):
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bReHpamElzA
 
Ah, it takes more time to boot because I've taked off the internal Cd for some days, and I have to make Click later in the window that opens... but that's not a problem :) . BTW: Have you seen before an Amiga playing a video while booting?
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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2011, 02:10:39 AM »
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To deviate ever-so-slightly from the subject at hand, does anyone know how an A4000 with 25MHz 040 compares with 50MHz 060 of the later A4000?


I took these a while ago........

Commodore 040/25



Cyberstorm 060/50




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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2011, 07:51:32 AM »
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I took these a while ago........
 
Commodore 040/25
 

 
Cyberstorm 060/50
 

 
 
:)

Are you sure that sysinfo is benchmarking 060 correctly?
As you can see 060 was recognized as 040 - are you still trust this software????? :laughing:
 
I have 66,40 MIPS for CS MK II 060@50MHz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtT_5D_LhGY
 
Almost double result just by using different benchmarking software???
 

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2011, 07:53:47 AM »
High end (relatively speaking) cpus have always been disproportionally expensive. In fact this is true of nearly all hardware. A 1 gig ddr1 stick for example is more expensive than a 2 gig ddr2-1066 stick, which in turn is more expensive than a 4 gig ddr3-1600 stick. Core2quads are very expensive compared to socket1156/1366/1155 hardware, even though theyre slower. Socket 754 3700+ and especially 4000+ cpus are more expensive tha some new, much more powerful quad core cpus, etc, etc. Simple fact is it's often more expensive to keep an old platform and expand that with the greatest options for that system. It has always been like this, and it always will. Amiga gear even moreso these days, due both to the retro/rare value, and also the fact they offer some things that the "replacement" "NG" systems don't. Sure those things arent really attractive to everyone, but to some they are.

I have to second runequesters sentiment here though too, in that no matter how fast or well priced an x86/ppc cpu is, it still does nothing to enhance my amiga. That said though there's no way Id spend more than $350ish on an classic amiga accelerator, especially a csppc/bppc. Theyre of minimal use to os3.x and too weak to be of much use with a "modern" os (os4.x/mos) (unless you want to do nothing other than tinker with the OS or use existing 68k software).
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2011, 08:02:06 AM »
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Are you sure that sysinfo is benchmarking 060 correctly?
As you can see 060 was recognized as 040 - are you still trust this software????? :laughing:
 


I thought everyone knows that Sysinfo uses only one of the two integer units in 060 so giving just half of the possible performance figure. :lol:
 

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2011, 08:19:29 AM »
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I thought everyone knows that Sysinfo uses only one of the two integer units in 060 so giving just half of the possible performance figure. :lol:
39.48MIPSx2=78,96MIPS
Sysspeed showing 66,40MIPS
Still 16% difference. :)
 

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2011, 08:28:20 AM »
You get interesting figures when running sysinfo on RTG screens as it takes the reference from vblank so I could get somewhere between 50 and 60 depending on the refresh rate with my 060/50. And not to speak about the MHz figures, they can be way off, too!
 

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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2011, 08:41:03 AM »
Im probably more of a sysspeed fan than sysinfo. That said however Id be interested in something new that's maybe a little more accurate for emulation too. My amithlon box for example can show somewhere between 4500 and 6000 mips when I do a cpu test with sysspeed (although I guess this is partly due to the nature of how the jit emulation works and what's in the translation buffer). Something like a more modest futuremark test could be fun and in some ways more representative of overall system performance (albiet less informative) :)
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Re: Possibly looking for 1260 card
« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2011, 09:13:11 AM »
1260's are great chip BUT they are very limited by the speed of the bus and the 1200's CHIPRAM so you don't get the kind of speed boost that the MIPS benchmarks suggest you will for most apps/games.
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