Why no new hardware for MorphOS??

[Dandy]

Why is it stinky?

...
Especially if the previous owner was a smoker, the smell is disgusting.

Hehe - the last time I bought a car second hand the owner of one candidate emphasised that the car is a non smoker car to justify the high price.
I told him that I have no use for his car, as I'm a smoker - but I would buy his car if he dropped the price by 1000€ - because of the characterless odour.

His subsequent intelligent physiognomy was simply priceless...

[Franko]

Now that's kind of a silly question.

Old Amigas haven't dried up on the used market yet, and they're 20+ years old.  Lets do the math and figure out how many more G4 Macs were made than Amigas.  I figure they'll be around quite a while.

Gotta agree with that, having just spent the past week and a half on ebay there's still plenty old stuff out there if your daft enough to bid on them like me...

(even had a phone call from my bank last night as they thought some had stolen my details and had gone on spending spree...

[tone007]

have some custom MorphOS cases made up.

Bleh, butterflies. I propose:

[spihunter]

Lol!. I'd buy that if you added  "no" to the front as well.......

Bleh, butterflies. I propose:

[Franko]

Lol!. I'd buy that if you added  "no" to the front as well.......

:roflmao:

Now with a case like that, if anyone burgled your house, that would sure a hell frighten them away...

[Ruud]

Best use of a Mac ever. They make great door stops.

I prefer using one as a foot rest

[klx300r]

I prefer using one as a foot rest

damn I even prefer to look at Piru's mug on a case then see a Mac in my house:lol:

[pVC]

All fine and good - but what if they are no longer available second hand?
After all they aren't in production any longer...

What will MOS run on if this source is dryed out one day?
Are there any plans?

I would be more worried if only option would be run on custom made new hardware, which are made in very small batches. Then you couldn't be sure at all how long they are available as new. You have to rush to buy one while they can be bought. And when the production stops, there wouldn't be that big used market either. It's a much bigger dead end in my opinion.

For example, Pegasos2 was the biggest success story in the Amiga world within the last 10 years. It would be a real surprise to see some other amigaish system to sell more in the future. Now that it isn't in production any more, which is the easier to get, it or G4 Mac from the same era?

Also there's still newer Mac models (G5) to expand the support. There won't be lack of the hw for very long time. We probably can go like 10 years easily. Macs are also kept very well and they seem to be valuable for their owners. Not even slower G4 models go into trash like standard PC hardware. Mac users appreciate their HW like Amigans do and treat it like that.

And while we are happily using Mac HW for years still, nothing stops developers to look other viable options. If there will be some PPC platform made in big enough quantities from reliable sources, why not. Or moving to some other architecture, why not. But nothing forces to it in near future.

One thing is pretty certain. There isn't much sense to waste time to expand to small custom made systems, which can only be uncertain by their reliability and availability. Look what happened with the original Pegasos1 and AmigaOnes for example. Small players in the industry, small production amounts, short lifetime, lots of bugs and issues to solve and patch. Steady hardware from big manufacturer with big resources like Apple would look much better, wouldn't it? Afterall, Amiga hasn't been about the HW since the old times and can't be in today's world.

[Ruud]

Although as previously stated i do like using Powermac G4's as foot rests, i do also run morphos on mac hardware.  I recently bought a nice Quicksilver 2002 - one previous owner, really nice and clean inside and out.  As an added bonus it's equipped with a 2Ghz G4 7448.
Just for fun i've got it clocked at 2.13Ghz at the moment.  Being able to use third party cpu upgrades in Powermac G4's remind me of the classic Amiga scene with all the different accelerators you can get.  

I've owned a brand new Sam440ep with AmigaOS4.1 in the past but I much prefer my second hand mac mini G4 1.5Ghz running MorphOS.  It's always nice to own new things but recycling is better for the enviroment ;-)

[Iggy]

Because designing and building new desktop HW for a dead architecture (PPC) in the quantities of 100-200 units is a bad idea, especially if it's worse off than what's already available performance and spec wise, and at 10 times (or more) the cost?

The PPC Macs that MorphOS already supports (or might support in a relatively close future) represents how far the PPC *ever went* on the consumer desktop market. That's the edge, and the end of line. And now when the PPC is gradually fading into history, nothing new will beat those Macs still here.

Would be a far better idea for MorphOS to begin the migration process to ARM, IMHO!

PPCs are hardly dead. They just not common in PC anymore. This summer Freescale will introduce the first two processors based on their new 64bit e5500 core, the single core P5010 and dual core 5020 (both starting at 2.0Ghz). And they've already released a roadmap showing AltiVec enhanced versions of these labeled T5020 and T5040 (presumably dual and quad core) on a 28nm process that should allow them to be faster.

So in the near future we may see new 64bit PPC processors that operates at 50% higher than the PA6T with twice as many cores.
That doesn't sound 'dead' to me.

[tone007]

NIche and dead may soon be synonyms in Roget's!

[Iggy]

Although as previously stated i do like using Powermac G4's as foot rests, i do also run morphos on mac hardware.  I recently bought a nice Quicksilver 2002 - one previous owner, really nice and clean inside and out.  As an added bonus it's equipped with a 2Ghz G4 7448.
Just for fun i've got it clocked at 2.13Ghz at the moment.  Being able to use third party cpu upgrades in Powermac G4's remind me of the classic Amiga scene with all the different accelerators you can get.  

I've owned a brand new Sam440ep with AmigaOS4.1 in the past but I much prefer my second hand mac mini G4 1.5Ghz running MorphOS.  It's always nice to own new things but recycling is better for the enviroment ;-)

Wow! That would make that the fastest MorphOS machine outside of the beta G5 testers the development team has.

[WolfToTheMoon]

PPCs are hardly dead. They just not common in PC anymore. This summer Freescale will introduce the first two processors based on their new 64bit e5500 core, the single core P5010 and dual core 5020 (both starting at 2.0Ghz). And they've already released a roadmap showing AltiVec enhanced versions of these labeled T5020 and T5040 (presumably dual and quad core) on a 28nm process that should allow them to be faster.

So in the near future we may see new 64bit PPC processors that operates at 50% higher than the PA6T with twice as many cores.
That doesn't sound 'dead' to me.

Oh goody, so the X2000(if it happens) will be even more expensive then X1000 :lol:


Meanwhile, mac users can buy NEW G3 and G4 CPU cards for as low as 30$ for their old Macs.

[Tension]

Crap... those are cheap... :eek:

I've just spent well over £400 on ebay this week buying some spare VIC20s & C64s, I could have bought a bucket load of them Macs for that...

Methinks I'm gonna have to build a bigger house...

Franko!!  Send some hardware in my direction!! I'm skint over here!!

[runequester]

Whats the most RAM that the old mac's can take?

[tone007]

Moar then you need!